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Zoophiles and Legal Changes - silverwolf1 - 07-19-2017
What do you think?
Zoophiles and Legal Changes - Bear28 - 07-19-2017
The net has always been a double edge sword. On one hand the net has shown us that we are not on our own and there are others out there who are like us. But on the same not it also showed the non zoos that we are not a myth or just that one town freak.
The other thing that that has hurt us is all the fencehoppers being caught either by LEOs or on tape and plastered all over social media.
Zoophiles and Legal Changes - Rannoch - 07-19-2017
It's always been offline incidents that spur legislation, so no, I do not agree with that at all really.
Zoophiles and Legal Changes - caikgoch - 07-19-2017
Yes and no, mostly no. Nobody believes most of what they see on the net so a direct effect seldom happens. *BUT* Foolish and ignorant people can be inspired by things they see on the net and try to act on net fantasies in real life. For example, check out the myth of "bellyriding".
Zoophiles and Legal Changes - Bear28 - 07-19-2017
Good point Rannoch. But even so those off line things get found out, then the news people spin it to make a buck instead of just stating facts. Then people hit the net and find out shit these animal humpper are everywhere. Then someone thinks there should be a law, then people who make laws get contacted.
Then laws are passed because who is going to say no to passing a law like that. All goes to "Think of the children! Will no one protect the children!" Which is not much of a thing to get your way but works only in this case replace "children" with "animals".
Back when I was growing up people knew what we were doing but didn't give a rats ass. For the most part it was not in their faces and it was an out of sight out of mind thing. Now it is with the news, a click away on the net, ect., ect. Some of us but not all of us took us out of the pravacy of the barn and plastered us on the puplics tvs.
Zoophiles and Legal Changes - Dane layer - 07-19-2017
I think it is, from the people who get hurt by forcing themselves on to a animal, to the guys who sneak into someone elses place.
Zoophiles and Legal Changes - Actaeon - 07-20-2017
I agree with the majority here, that the main urge for legislation comes in the aftermath of people getting caught IRL, and then only if the case spreads from the police blotters to the local media, and especially if it gets picked up by regional or national news (the likelihood of which is rather unpredictable). Unless children are involved (even if only remotely), most bestiality cases are settled quietly and never reach a juried courtroom, so the media are very unlikely to hear about it. What happens in the courtroom rarely makes its way into legislation unless the public/media hear about it and decide it's worth worrying about. That, too, is unpredictable.
As for the internet, while *we* may rely heavily on it for zoo-ish information, legal professionals are quite aware that the internet is 99% crap and therefore *not* a reliable source of data. Despite our grumbling and our conspiracy theories, when the government wants to pass legislation, they *normally* try very hard to support their cases with only objective and unbiased data. If they don't, the law is likely to get vetoed or deemed unconstitutional, or at the very least sent back to square one for revisions. In the wake of strong public outcry, however (such as in the case of Mr. Hands, which got blown way out of proportion), governments are more likely to give in to public pressure and enact legislation to "protect" the people/animals/environment/whatever, even if it's flawed or if they know it won't really make much of a difference.
The main place our image online *might* make a *small* difference in such cases is when the media gets involved in a high-profile bestiality case and wants to "research" the subject in order to flesh out an article or report. Since media organizations are highly competitive and their articles very time-sensitive, they don't always fact-check their data thoroughly. They'll often draw their info from whatever "resource" Google lists first and be done with it. Back when I had my own website, actaeon.org, there was so little information about zoophilia online that Google usually put me near the top, which was cool back when it mattered. Nowadays, there's so much garbage, fluff and chaff on the subject that the internet is an information wasteland unless you really know how and where to search.
Despite our best efforts, our online image will probably only get worse. Ignorance spreads much faster than enlightenment, and the enlightened people whose information really matters tend to keep a low profile and only talk in places like this one which wouldn't show up on Google anyway (would they?). If we want to keep the legal beagles at bay, the wisest course of action is to be safe, quiet and discreet, control our emotions and behavior, and above all: don't...get...caught.
Zoophiles and Legal Changes - Bear28 - 07-20-2017
And as to most the bestiality laws out there, most are not enforced unless some one does something to make the cops to enforce such a law.
Zoophiles and Legal Changes - 30-30 - 01-19-2018
One would be foolish to claim the internet and how the "zoo scene" presents itself in it has no effect at all. Many cases of "zoos" that have been caught can be directly linked "the internet", e.g. several folks who were caught because they uploaded selfmade animal porn on Beastforum. Plus, the way our community presents itself will of course at least raise some attention in the authorities.
And in one case, the connection between newly issued laws and the "internet zoo scene" is undebatable: Hessian official Silke Lautenschläger only took further action against "zoophilia" because of how openly and unhinged people on the net express their sexual desires. She said: "What once was a relatively unproblematic and tolerable practice of but a few, has now, in the age of the net, mutated into an online sex cult with strong connections to the international porn mafia." It is to mention that Lautenschläger especially watched Beastforum and how people in there behave, what they are after and what huge "market" for animal pimping BF´s hookup section is. Lautenschläger, minister for animal welfare issues then, decided that it would be about time to work on what we Germans now have, the paragraph 13 of the animal welfare law prohibiting any sexual encounters with animals. So much for "No, the net has absolutely no effect on legislation", Rannoch. [img]<fileStore.core_Emoticons>/emoticons/wink.png[/img]/emoticons/[email protected] 2x" title=";)" width="20" />
Zoophiles and Legal Changes - 30-30 - 01-19-2018
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On 20.07.2017 at 7:42 AM, Bear28 said:
And as to most the bestiality laws out there, most are not enforced unless some one does something to make the cops to enforce such a law.
Exactly. Keep your profile low and no cop will be bothered by what you do behind your doors...