12-02-2017, 07:37 AM
Pardon me if I still totally fail to see why the question of legality matters so much here. We´re arguing about a law/laws that take(s) more than just some minor slips of attention from the perpetrator. If you keep it all to yourself, probably no one ever will suspect anything. I also never heard about a huge "anti zoophilia police force" trying to siege us besides those sting operations Arpaio´s gangsters have done. Even those guys responsible for the new "anti zoo" laws say it´s hard to prove whether someone actually had sex with an animal; all evidence usually is gone after a few hours and it really takes a whole shitload of bad luck to give this hard evidence..or tremendous amounts of stupidity.
Almost five years after the installation of "anti zoo" laws in Germany, not a single person has been arrested because of "zoophilia" and arrests in other parts of the world ALWAYS are accompanied by nutjob actions. In the age of cheap IR cameras, fencehopping may not be exactly the best idea...and I´m not even touching the ethical and moral issues with fencehopping here. Publishing self made animal porn that leads to you being identified? Hell, why does anyone think it is a good idea to publish evidence of a highly reprimanded practice?
It´s also worth mentioning that many members of the community are quick to mix legal and social stuff here. Even if "zoophilia" isn´t punishable by law, it isn´t a smart idea to be blatantly open about it anyway. And I say this from experience, as a German who was legally "allowed" to sleep with his mare until mid 2013. Even if "zoophilia" was relegalised tomorrow morning everywhere, people´s feelings towards having sex with an animal wouldn´t just magically change overnight and I sincerely doubt they will change in a way many "zoo" are hoping for in centuries. There always will be folks who hate you for what you are and there´s no way to dictate that by legalisation.
So it basically boils down to a rather simple question: are you willing to accept your social status of an outcast and will act accordingly by shutting the hell up, not trying to make "zoophilia" into the "next gay"? And if zoophilia means so much to all those "zoo warriors" out there, why aren´t they just investing their precious energy they waste on running their heads against a massive, impenetrable wall into building a safe environment for themselves and their animal partner? Is it because actually shaping their lives by earning enough money to live on their own is so much harder than this stupid "clicktivism" that just takes a computer and a moron frantically hacking in outlandish claims and demands behind it?
Regarding the autism, I´d say it is quite logical you´ll find more autists (self diagnosed as well as medically diagnosed) in "zoophilia". Sexual energy needs vents, outlets...and if you are suffering from the lack of social skills to connect to other humans, it´s natural you will seek another vent for your energies. I recommend reading Wilhelm Reich´s books and his theories regarding vents, those might shed further light on why there obviously is an above avergae percentage of autists in zoophilia.
Egoldstein, you asked for proof on "zoophilia" becoming more popular. May I direct you to the hookup section of Beastforum? But don´t get buried under the masses who are searching for a chance to delete "sex with an animal" from their "bucket lists". Don´t get buried by all those who "want to try it once" or are desperately searching for a piece of fuck meat. Since "zoophilia" has become a thing in the media after Enumclaw, the influx of "curious" persons has grown rapidly. Like a "new flavour" added in your local ice cream shop lets the lines waiting for it grow. I object to the common notion of all these curious ones just being folks who try to act on their inner desires and claim that many of them never had these desires until they ran across something that incited these desires. Homepages as BF have a huge advertising effect on the easily influenceable, on the fetishistic and adventurous ones, on the ones who have NO orientation, the typical FATW´s (fucks anything that walks). I haven´t visited BF for a while now, but if there really is a decrease on the numbers of folks I described, I´d say it has lots to do with the new laws and the deterrence effect they undoubtedly have for those who aren´t emotionally invested as actual zoophiles. It´s basically like with every subculture...the more popular it gets, the more watered down its ideas, its core values will get. I don´t see how zoophilia/bestiality is different from every other subculture here. Insisting on it seems to be equally moronic as saying that, of ALL sexual perversions/obsessions/tastes, zoophilia is the one and only that hasn´t created any brothel catering to that specific "taste". If there´s a market (and a quick glance into BF´s hookup section will prove there is one...a huge one indeed), there will be people who are trying to make a happy buck out of it, legal or illegal, doesn´t matter.
That´s all I have to add for now...btw: I´m astounded by the complexity and civility of this discussion. Maybe there is some hope left for us...
