02-12-2018, 02:58 PM
Rannoch, the only thing I can say is that you´re actually burning down the barn to save the horses when you´re relying on that mindset you have laid out here. This "all or nothing" attitude...Rannoch, isn´t that just some last resort you´re falling back onto because your demand for being "loved by society" was declined? Why are you so dependent on what society thinks of zoophiles and why can´t you see that you´re only playing exactly the role society expects you to play as the "creepy pervo trying to normalise fucking animals without any concerns" with that? Wouldn´t it be smarter to try and break this downward spiral? I´m more the guy who prefers the "foot in the door" policies...I´m preferring making concessions if it grants us more leverage on society´s unfavourable picture of zoophiles. And before you say that this is per definitionem impossible, well Rannoch, it isn´t. May I remind you of the disputes I had with members of reddit´s CringeAnarchy sub? And that these surprisingly tunred out quite well when I was communicating my "naive" weltbild? Look, man, our problem isn´t society, it´s not standing by our ideals. How can we expect someone from the outside believe us if our dearly held "ideals" are dismissed immediately once pants are unzipped?
You´re free to reject believing me about being "accepted" by society (what I never said, btw)...I said that people in the public boarding stables my mare was standing in never tried to interfere in my relationship with her. I´m not going for making zoophilia the new gay like your approach is doing, I´m going for the "respect other people´s privacy, then your privacy will more likely be respected" approach. I am, contracry to you, aware of the fact that our orientation poses an immense threat to Average Joe, has the potential to traumatise him and will inevitably lead to out of proportions defense reactions. You don´t calm the waters by focefully beating on its surface, you know. Let things calm down after the huge wave of "anti zoo" laws, don´t seek salvation in kneejerk reactions. Proper timing is key here, and doing the right thing at the wrong time may actually result in a huge setback our community will take ages to recover from....and sadly, that´s exactly what your approach does. As I said so many times before, just take a look around, your approach of open confrontation, your "heads through the wall" strategy has been nothing but total failure, all of the "anti zoo" laws are a direct reaction to that failed strategy and didn´t grow out of nothing.
Or are you still denying how much this internet "zoo" bullshit has changed everything, Rannoch? In the mid 80´s , nobody cared about "us", we practically were left alone by society, nobody interfered...then, the internet happened and all of those ridiculous "activists" emerged...and now? Have we progressed? Or isn´t it a quite clear fact that all this "activism" has done but one thing, generating unwanted and undesirable attention that laid the path towards what we experience today? Do you think that there were "anti zoo activists" back in the 80´s? Why are they a thing today? Don´t you think it has something to do with how we, how our community has acted ever since ?
Let´s do some deduction, Rannoch, will we? We have a) an orientation that is heavily frowned upon in b) an era of never experienced permissiveness. You can confess getting horny by getting whipped while three cucumbers are inserted in your anus and your nipples are torched with a flamethrower at noon on public TV talk shows and no one bats an eye. Do you really believe that a) is frowned upon just for reasons of "hate of a certain orientation"? Or is it more like that our orientation has several, never adressed by the "zoo community", grey areas that prevent a) from total absolution? Is society really so selectively hateful or could there be actual, factual and real concern about animals and the unbalanced power dynamics between humans and animals? Could it be that some of the criticism our orientation and our community faces IS valid and justified ...and the self victimisation we sadly try to apply to this criticism is nothing else but openly declared moral bankrupcy because we have literally nothing to disperse it? Fuzzyfurry once said in a debate with me: "Well, if there are animals who have to endure torturous circumstances because "zoo rights" are more important than animal rights", then it surely isn´t me who´s the one sabotaging all efforts towards increased tolerance, don´t you think? Sadly, our community seems to have this "zoos first" attitude and animals hurt and killed by "zoos" are seen as "collateral damage" that has to stand back for "zoo rights". As long as our community cannot solve this dilemma, this contradictio in eo of claiming to love animals, but preferring "zoo rights" over them anytime, everything we do is pointless. Instead, this horrible "fake news" crap is pulled out everytime a "zoo" makes another headline....as if fucking animals isn´t already enough to alienate the public, no, all additional findings are first and foremost doubted until they actually turn out to be true, like in the case of the Espenau fencehopper, remember? "NO, another harmless zoo prosecuted for "loving" animals!!!"...I still remember how quickly interest of the community vanished once I gave actual info about what happened....and it´s like this practically ALL the time. Kneejerk reactions, brought up in mind bogglin aequivalency of what our "opponents" , the antis react like when confronted with yet another "harmless zoo". Two sides of the same coin, united in the same "don´t research, just let your bowels do the thinking" strategy, only defending their respective agendas, not interested in the truth at all. Rannoch, you always get the enemies you deserve...that´s all I can contribute to this. Without this bullshit "activism" from our side, trying to make "zoophilia" into the next gay, there would be no "anti zoo activism"...we actually created our enemies ourselves, with all we do, say and believe.
But you don´t have to take all of this from me, Rannoch. If you like, I could ask my ex rommmate Caikgoch may remember as gregordiesel from BF whether what I write here is true or not. And before you say that I try to influence you with a fake alternate account, no, I won´t do that because I´m better than that and don´t rely on lying. If you want, I will ask him to get in contact with you so you can hear it from another perspective...that´s all I can offer you to resolve your trust issues in my stories...
