04-05-2018, 05:22 AM
Eagle, when Saturnine/Darkspirit appeared on the reddit zoo sub, my first reaction to him was giving actual advice, without any "bullying". Even after he pulled off his ususal "no,no, because..." , I remained rather friendly and offered additional options. Nothing changed. Especially this case of Saturnine isn´t bullying from my side, it has a certain "history" . If you don´t believe me, ask Silverwolf about Saturnine´s/ Darkspirit´s back log on reddit...and then you might view the whole thing quite differently in an instant. And what I find most amusing about your typical SJW approach is the simple fact that we, you, I , nobody really knows whether this guy actually is having all those physical issues (which I quit to believe after he still had "excuses" when I was bringing up hippotherapy etc....hell, there are folks out there who are total wrecks and still enjoy their monthly therapeutic visits to the many hippotherapy stables in Germany) or whether this isn´t just a huge trick he plays on us all ,with his ulterior motive to gather enough pity so some dumb fool says "Well, you poor guy, come over and fuck my mare for free"...ridiculous hyperbole? Nah, I´ve seen this happen quite often in several "zoo" communities. So you could also blindly defend one of those guys who are only out there to get quick and easy sex for offering a heartripping pity story. Mind that, please...we don´t know whether anything this guy tells us is true. I´ve seen people lying in huge amounts for less...
So, let´s pick out some other topics: I´m glad you found out that "Hossie" is a shithead , but I did it without having to visit him in person. I just read his bullshit bible "The horseman" , in which he quite openly displays his true face as a bestialist who uses animals for quick sex and as a "more willing and less problematic" way to get laid. I absolutely reject your notion of the community as not standing for anything consistently, if this were true, then why are there the zeta rules that once were widely accepted as the core principles of our community until the porn craze of the 200s began and people were pouring into our community like mad. It was exactly this time we as a community sacrificed our ideals for sheer raise of quantity, falsely hoping that "more of us" would lead to a better stance in society and being heard more loudly. Boy, how wrong that assumption was. And when has our community´s goals shifted from providing protection for the animals living in a "zoo" relationship to making this solely about "the zoos", with only minor adjustments reagrding animal welfare? And who is to blame for that lack of a consistent moral code if not those who came in, tried to make "adjustments" (a.k.a. twist and contort everything to fit their needs and pamper their egos as "bona fide zoos"). Hossie, "Mr Hands" (sadly , not Mr Brains or he probably would still be alive today), Spink et al.
Yes, we all are deluded and self centered. Funny that it´s considered a given that you´re not deluded when you´re reguritating the widely accepted dogma...then you´re the "sane" and "reflected guy". Positive prejudice, paired with selective blindness. I don´t know about "every zoo has weakness"...seems just a generalised statement with no further win of insight to me. And even if that would be true, then that doesn´t make it zoo forums into recommended places for amateur psychotherapy, eh? By the way, one of the usual forms of therapy can be shock therapy or confrontational therapy. In this sense ,what the troublemakers and newbie attackers are doing can equally qualify as an approach to help. Let´s just say somebody is stuck in his fantasies like , well, some guy with alleged body dysfuctionalities and an overboarding desire to "touch a horse once"...I´ve seen people pamper him on reddit, supporting him etc...and? He still is the same, his shtick is the same, his egotistical way of annexing the entirety of this forum is the same. Sometimes, pampering and caring works, sometimes it doesn´t and a good ol´ fat kick in the back works just as well or even better. I can just point out how my "bullying" led to Darkspirit´s temporary phase of enlightenment on reddit, with him claiming that he won´t go back to his dark self again. Well, some people need to be constantly kicked in their arses, I assume... [img]<fileStore.core_Emoticons>/emoticons/wink.png[/img]/emoticons/[email protected] 2x" title=";)" width="20" /> Mind you, I´m not a "one trick pony" and can and have offered some helpful advice to newbies, according to the old zeta maxim of "Don´t talk them in, talk them out." Sometimes, it´s more about care to NOT try and get everyone inside...and in the end, who has care left for our community and the way it presents itself for decades as a cesspool of mad "fucks anything that walks", "has severe issues that need to be taken care of by a professional doctor" and all the other types of folks continually shaping our public image towards a negative extreme. Or where do you think society has its prejudices from?
Have I mentioned that I , when I was making my first steps in the community back in the begining of the nineties, I too was "bullied", but never interpreted that as bullying, but as the usual "steelbath" prospects trying to become members of a select group have to go through as an initiation ritual. Yes, an initiation ritual that helped to sort out all those who are more than wrong in our community when they´re breaking under the least little bit of pressure...and if you´re a practicing zoo, you should probably know that life itself is the ultimate bullying experience for any zoo. And exactly that was necessary to some extend, exactly that "bullying" was what kept our community relatively whacko free, spared us from the most of the roleplaying asshats and kept the fights to a reasonable level....have I mentioned that a whole lot of this so called "bullying" wouldn´t happen if ,IF people would stick to honesty, not calling themselves what they clearly aren´t, if people would not start bargaining every little rule once they realise they are not fitting into a specific group etc. pp. You´re quick at pointing out the bullies, but "nothing is happening in isolation", right? So, would you please turn your attention towards the reasons why "bullying" happens? Hint: It´s not solely the "bullies´" fault. We have no real culture of dissent in here.Never had, and especially will not have such a thing when this braindead "tolerance über alles" culture lasts infinitely.
Everything is detrimental in extremes...and our tolerance surely is way too extreme, generally speaking.We overdid it with tolerance and hug box mentality, we hardly have expectations in us as members and representants of this community, we irrationally shy away from any form of dissent because it makes us feel "insecure" and "uncomfortable"...disrupting the "playground peace"....just as if nothing has changed on the outside, just as if there are no new laws, no "zoo" incidents making it to the headlines , turning into clickbait for hundereds of thousands. This is what I accuse us of, we have become so entrenched in our own narrative, we can´t even imagine that it´s NOT society to blame for everything in its entirety.
So let me make this perfectly clear, despite being seen as a troublemaker and a bully by many here: I too have nearly the same basic goals, I too would like to see zoophilia decriminalised again, but with some limitations and restrictions preventing the worst excesses falsely happening in our name. I too would like to be part of an OPEN community that doesn´t dismiss criticism, even when it´s worded "offensive", because not everyone is a native speaker of English and surely struggles with the foreign language to some extent, often creating unwanted schisms without intent. I too want a community that helps newbies to develop and thrive. But reality tells me that the way you folks are going is the wrong one and is massively contributing to the ever declining possibility to change things for us zoos. Instead I see tribalism and practically the same form of wiping away any different opinion like the normal society does with yours regarding zoophilia....you´re usually portraying youselves as the "shiny tolernace knights", but in fact, you´re just like society and not openminded at all...at least when it comes to issues that would scratch or even destroy your dearly held self image. But in a really openminded crowd, there should be no taboo of criticism and people should pull their shit together instead of crying about being offended by words someone else types. If someone breaks up from this, how is he supposed to actually live the life of a zoo that´s basically stuffed with all sorts of rejection, evil stares, negative situations and suspicions? We should see this online zoo forums as virtual dojos where you are put to the test instead of hug boxes...or would you attend a martial arts class where "cuddle jutsu" is taught, the art to caress someone to death? As long as people like the "super duper intelligent" Aluzky, with an IQ of 143 or sometimes 134 or 136 can freely access our community, all babble about more tolerance is doomed to fail us even more than it failed us already.
In this very sense, I object your idea of becoming more accepting of mental illnesses. Not only will that reassure Joe Average that zoophilia is in fact a mental issue , often combined with other mental issues, but it also offers the sane ones among us as a sacrifice on the altar of "Idon´tcareus", the god of "tolerance". Tolerance and all inclusiveness have brought us here, to this point in history, with all the laws, all the organised "anti zoo" fractions and people like Arpaio, not the other way around. Don´t confuse that...and don´t fall for the idea that "more inclusiveness" will improve anything for us in total. I´d even say that zoophilia is the wrong place for anyone who has mental issues...these folks don´t need filter bubbles, they need professional help. If you´re familiar with so called "suicide forums", you´ll easily see why a general "caring" and reassuring attitude can quickly mutate into the exact opposing thing it is actually intended to be.
I´d absolutely agree to your opinion about hug boxes , people with mental issues and newbies...if, and that´s a big if, if we would not have other, more important issues in the real world. What you´re proposing here is what we Germans call "das Pferd von hinten aufzäumen" (to put the bridle in the horse´s mouth from behind) , what in fact is impossible to do..we FIRST need to establish a good and healthy community before we can even think of becoming a pinpoint for depressives and autists from the entire spectrum. To save one lost in the sea, you have to have a stable boat first...if your boat already is rocking, pulling someone in who´s panicked will only sink the entire boat and saves no one´s life.
