09-08-2018, 01:14 PM
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8 hours ago, heavyhorse said:
Well, I can see some value in the discussion regardless, though thanks for the heads-up.
As can I.
Folks, ANY animal needs some form of containment, for their safety alone if not for other reasons. With dogs, the stronger the better. I've seen Borders (not mine) go through chain link too, and over it btw. Never think dogs can't climb.
I'd note here that the OPs intent was to start a war on the subject of Zoos only keeping animals whole to have sex with them. It's an old stance for him, and one where sound discussion is not without merit. He could never manage sound discussion though.
My own impression based solely on my own life: I have kept dogs (Tippy & Shadow) whole because I was sexually active with them, but also because they were healthy as whole bitches and didn't need an elective surgery. I admit there was some selfish motive involved, however there was also added responsibility because of it. One of those responsibilities was containment and protection from "accidental" breedings. Another, for me, was keeping no whole males in the household. For others it may be different, but that is the path I chose.
We keep many species whole with-out any thought; Horses, cows, sheep, goats etc. The only reason there is discussion on dogs or cats is a gross overpopulation of un-homed and feral animals. I also support and help fund efforts to limit that locally, though this does not take from my selfishness in keeping whole bitches. I keep one now, and one spayed bitch as well. Neither are my lover, or likely to be, but as long as the whole bitch is healthy and I am able to prevent unwanted breedings she will remain unspayed.
These are just my opinions folks. Add yours if you choose.
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