Are we our own worst enemy?

[WinterGreenWolf]

20 hours ago, caikgoch said:




"The links between sexual "perversion" and psycho-/sociopathy are scientifically proven . . "




As are the links between heterosexuality and rape.

To my knowledge, some new research has shown that 'Animal torture' no longer directly ties in to Serial Killers, nor does 'Animal sex' tie in to Pedophilia correct? I haven't searched recently but I have heard that those two 'links' were coming under scrutiny. Then again I'm not really active in 'psych' circles as it's quite annoying to keep up with at times.




I -have- been pondering diving in to NLP (Neural linguistic Programming) though, an area of Psychology and Philosophy that revolves around communications and perspective.




I have a good friend in Australia who's got degrees on the subject.




I do think the 'downgrade' is important as well, as it (to me) serves to say that there's a more case-by-case basis for Zoophilia and not an outright declaration for someone to be 'hospitalized' for it.




Now the Big-Z is still considered a mental issue if it impairs someone's daily life -or- is the cause of a serious crime or other problem.




I still don't see us entirely as 'our own worst enemy', but you are right SW: Consent is one of our biggest stumbling points. We, as a community at-large have a lot of growing up to do and have had a -lot- of trouble in past years.




The thing that's hardest to convince people of is kind of simple if you think about it, but difficult to implement.




It's hard, virtually impossible to convince public en'mass that sex is not a 'sacred' thing, that it's not special. It's made all the more difficult when people see sex as incurring special responsibilities.




This is true for Humans, having sex means babies, money issues, social issues, physical issues.. All things humans have to take very seriously in society. To me, apart from the physical and mental preparation humans need is what makes Pedophilia *not* reasonable to act on




Zoophilia however, has none of these implications: animals can be raped, they can give or revoke consent (sometimes very painfully!) but an animal doesn't have all the issues.




No fiscal responsibility, no moral obligation (by human standards), no children to raise or educate, no job to contribute to. Now there can be power imbalance, assholes who'd abuse an animal or just use them for sexual purposes and not tend to them as they should, we have animal cruelty laws for those situations.




As I've joked at and even got angry at too, there's another powerful motivator: religion! Most anyone uses the term 'innocent' to describe an animal, most everyone will say 'the bible says.....', so we struggle on two fronts.




We struggle with overcoming religious stigma, and we struggle overcoming social stigma: again, most people see sex as having some kind of connection, they project the human issues of sex on to another creature.




Said other creatures however, don't share our senses of imagining, so the world looks different to them: their perception of time, self, environment, and morality  as a whole are on another level entirely.