10-27-2018, 07:51 AM
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On 10/23/2018 at 3:40 AM, covfefelake said:
While I'm open to both sides of this, it's pretty clear that your particular group has a... ahem... bias to one side for a particular reason.
You're not -entirely- wrong, as I said in my post above my reasons were twofold, though more based recently on the scientific research done, and in the past having experienced neutered / spayed vs unaltered. I much preferred the temperament, personality, communication and overall better health of an unmodified canine: this isn't even counting anything sexual.
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16 hours ago, silverwolf1 said:
You wanted an honest answer and got one, and you're insulted by it. As I said in my answer, I spayed the few others I had over the years to prevent unwanted breedings in their future homes. These were dogs I fostered and that was the ethical step to take given they were all rescues due to unwanted breedings themselves.
I do appreciate the rare glimpses of honesty some people are willing to put forth as zoos, there's reasons to hide but I still feel honesty is the best policy: why I didn't bullshit in my post above. It is unfortunate, but for things like fosters and rescues: it's sort of necessary, especially considering a lot of them are unwanted already. Not to mention the cultural bias, stigma, and outright neglect on most pet owners' parts when it comes to animal sexuality. Sometimes risk v reward is more important: there -are- health issues with full spay / neuter, but it could end up even worse if a female starts grinding her hips on a stranger, 'putting out' for a male, or a male starts trying to hump you or anything around: they could end up unwanted and rescued -again- for the reasons I've mentioned above.
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17 hours ago, silverwolf1 said:
I loved Tippy and Shadow extremely, heart and soul. Had there been ANY health reason or benefit known to me to prompt spaying either of them they would have been spayed. There was not, so, selfishly, they remained whole and we remained enjoying sex. Admit? Like it's a crime? No. I simply state it, as it is what it is. As far as "Breaks the pattern of the rest of your posts..." I think you'll find ALL my posts honest and forthright like the above.
I felt the exact same way about Buck (my male German Shepherd lover) and I still miss him to this day, at times it can be a little painful to think about. He passed thirteen years ago or so, but that doesn't change the feelings I had for him, and what I can only assume he felt for me by his actions. I also don't 'admit' to anything regarding myself being a zoo or my acts of bestiality: I'm not ashamed, guilty, horrified, questioning my morality.. So why would it feel like confessing a crime? It may be criminal by the law, but in my case, and opinion our actions together spoke -much- louder than any words could have.
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11 hours ago, Eagle said:
Most countries don't have such a steadfast hardcore spay/neuter mentality as much as the U.S. Its a puritanical thing. The "they'll be happier" thing is complete bubkis for anyone whom has known a critter before and after -- there's often signs of depression (particularly in spayed females), often lowered metabolism.
Couldn't agree more Eagle. I quoted this because it stood out to me the most. The obvious ignorance of most 'pet owners' in the U.S. is just staggering. Hell most people don't even know what a canine mating looks like and will totally flip their shit if they see a sterile pair tied together. I want to clarify that I'm not calling out -all- pet owners, I'm not calling them all idiots or stupid: there are very good pet owners who simply don't know: and possibly don't care. What I am making reference to though, is that there's a -lot- more to owning, raising, caring for and loving an animal then most people are aware of and sometimes the creature involved can suffer for it: especially if it's a 'cool factor' pet like an exotic, or a large dog breed that's not trained (ex: 'Pit Bulls').
Also, I knew Pyometra was a thing, but I had no idea Sterile Pyometra existed! Learn something new every day. That's a good thing to know / watch for then with a female.
I can also agree that while there -are- cancer risks, they are relatively small compared to the mass of problems that can arise by just 'ripping em' out' completely. I always tell people who want to argue spay / neuter with me (this is in a non-zoo conversation mind you): 'If the risk is that high, then sign me up too jack! Get them fucking things out of there before they eat my insides alive!', which usually results in a shit storm of rage along the lines of 'Oh, you're no vet! You don't know, dogs are different! Poor babies, you shouldn't ever own...' sort of shit, to which I reply 'Hey, we're all mammals. There's differences, but by and large the mechanics and mechanisms are largely the same.'.
