11-10-2018, 07:10 AM
So, I've noticed the forum has quieted a bit, a few of our more 'controversial threads' (including my own) have settled and people are relaxing again. I figured I'd add some more things I've observed and sort of 'found out' about the communities, their sizes and the ties to porn and Bestiality versus just being Zoo-centered.
These are merely my observations and opinions of course, also I do have a question or two I want to pose. To the young and old, novice and experienced among us: just keep your answers as civil as possible please. My other thread garnered a little more heat than I thought it would and I have a feeling this one may as well simply due to the topic, but I wanted to put it out there anyways.
Okay, having been a member of BeastForum (before I should have been, heh heh heh... ) since around fifteen years ago: It was a small-ish place at the time, not a lot of Ads, and generally friendly. They did allow 'porn sharing' and discussion on meetups. This wasn't as dangerous at the time because the 'moral highgrounders', 'SJWs', "PETAs' and what have you hadn't wormed their way in to every corner of the clear net yet: 'Mr. Hands' hadn't happened yet and governments didn't see us as such a problem really.
They had the slogan (and still do) of 'The World's Largest Beastiality Board', as they grew (and I as a person did as well, learning the difference between sex and abuse, etc.. I'll also note I never posted and merely lurked due to self-confidence issues, being underage, and the various struggles I had with accepting my Zoophilia) I noticed them becoming less friendly, only really interested in the 'hot porn' or 'good poundings' a member would get or give to their companion. Other fetish Ads also started to appear among the pages of the site: also just so you know I didn't make this thread to bash BF (they deserve it now, but I'll get to that later and I don't want to do that here as it's not the place...).
They went under the guise of 'Zoophilia' a lot by saying that animals were their companions first, and sexual partners after, but the forum didn't reflect this. Though a lot of useful information still exists there and there -are- 'True Zoos' there (if you can call that a definition... I would, as being a Zoophile to me means valuing your non-human partner as much, or close to as much as you would a human one.. Again, not the thread to argue that in). they are few and far between.
The threads and sections that get the most comments and submissions are the porn sections, movie swap areas: and surprisingly the meetup areas. I haven't 'popped in' in a couple months but that was the trend.
The admin and staff became less friendly as download 'credits' and their paysites (GayBeast, PetSex, and BarnLove) emerged as well: a disagreement risked your IP and site info being forwarded to Law Enforcement and you being Doxed... Not a good place to be. Question their ethics on animal care and you're out, put forth a radical idea on some ways to get Zoos a better image, still out. Try and 'Fight for Zoo Rights': well you may be their next hero, no doubt because of fighting for the anti-beast law reversal (in the U.S. That is), there were several threads on the anti-beast laws once they started being passed.
Now we come to this forum, I've lurked here since around July or so this year: no meetup posts, no porn, and 'Genital and Mating' photos and videos are 'untouched' no humans involved type thing. As well as very clear admin discretion on what they see as abuse: and reserving the right to remove it and ban offending troublemakers.
This place is quiet, but seems to be a good meeting place for ideas and idealists on the subject of Zoophilia, as well as the ethics and treatment of both your fellow zoo and your partner, along with possibly being a decent resource for the discovering, 'new' zoos.
The Subreddit had a lot of these qualities as well: but social pressure and their rules changes obviously collapsed the community there due to a sub ban.
So now to the questions.
Do you think the size of a lot of the 'Zoo communities' at least loosely ties to the amount, or allowance of 'Beast Porn'?
- Me: Yes, of all the 'clear new communities' places like BeastForum are not only large but have shifted to porn site status as well as stealing members' content for their own gains. They also have endorsement by places like Dildo and Bondage gear producers and porn distributers The members can't even really speak up on stolen content or harassment to anyone either for fear of being 'outed' (though, that's more their own stupidity at play here in a lot of cases...).
Second question:
Do you think communities, even ones like this, should allow Beast Porn with human involvement (Intercourse, masturbation, oral, etc.. vs. just genitalia and mating)?
- Me: NO, but with two caveats: the reason it shouldn't be a part of the community directly is A) it can attract some pretty bad attention and nefarious individuals and B) places like this forum, I feel: are for expression, common ground, sharing your life (if you wish) and love with those of common interest. Forums like this one give us a place to be ourselves on our own little 'web corner' without being driven out by a mob or just outright fucked with by trolls like Mister Metokur, 4Channers, or Kiwi Farms and crew.
Now for my caveats...
-One: A secondary site possibly in the deep web for those who love the camera wouldn't be an all-out bad idea, of course your identity is your own risk you take when making this sort of content. Also as animals don't have the same sense of imagining as a Human, don't use the same abstractions nor have the same moral or overall social framework I don't see the videos or pictures as flat-out exploitation of a non-human lover: to them it's no different, sex is just sex period: biological drive and all. Note that I'm *not* saying they can't love, or don't really enjoy with the right partner, I'm just saying I doubt a camera is going to make that Mare say 'Ew, no I'm not raising my tail!' or the horny stud dog go 'Nope, not gettin' it up with that phone on me!' sort of thing.
-Two, and the most important: it's impractical as well but you'd need almost a -constant- watch and even team of staff to watch for, take down, and ban material that could be classified as abuse (forceful restraint of an animal, an animal in obvious duress or distress, large objects and non-sexual objects being used, etc...), as well as punishing the users responsible for such content. This would be very difficult but would be the only way *I* could see an 'ethical zoo site': it's also the reason I don't believe it should be a part of a forum / board / communication medium in and of itself and should be more independently-ran. Also, I do occasionally view beast content: I'm very picky about what I view and anything that even looks suspicious I don't watch, not to mention I stay away from the BF-Ran sites and a lot of the larger 'collections' online, and in the deep web. I don't really see a 'Beastie' site I could -ever- support as none are really trustworthy: it's merely an occasional guilty pleasure, especially tne 'Men and Male Canines' type videos for me.
Just my two-cents worth, curious as to others' thoughts on this one.
