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'Small' vs. 'Big' Zoo communities: and the Great Porn Debate...
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I recommend reading the VICE articles on Enumclaw. Although I usually see VICE more in the tradition of Hunter S. Thompson´s "gonzo journalism" that´s mixing facts with non facts for the story´s sake, I believe those two or three articles on Enumclaw, Pinyan and his "friends" have to offer more truth than what´s swirling around both in the "pro zoo" sphere as well as in the "anti zoo" one. 




The "pride" of "proud zoo" seems to be solely and exclusively tied to exhibitionism, either for political purposes ("If we´re all outing ourselves, society has no other choice but to legalise it!") or for the "zoo´s" own sake as schock value, extreme special snowflakeism á la bonheur and seeking affirmation in the external world because the internal conflicts couldn´t be solved internally and with themselves. It´s quite sad our community has lowered itself so much and accepted this twisted "pride" and all its repercussions uncontradicted despite people like me warned the community as early as in mid nineties that this would terribly backfire. And the worst: they still believe in this and that it´ll bring "free zoophilia" if only "we" bump our head onto the massive concrete wall of "You fuck animals? And I am supposed to tolerate this? Hell NO!!" for long enough. 




Regarding the "open air GShep coitus": Well, "there´s only two things that are infinite, space and human stupidity...and I´m not really sure about space." Albert Einstein [img]<fileStore.core_Emoticons>/emoticons/wink.png[/img]/emoticons/[email protected] 2x" title=";)" width="20" /> But I wouldn´t solely blame stupidity here, it reeks more of one of those among us who are deriving their sexual pleasure not from the animal itself, but from the thrill and the taboo. Doing something sexual, even more when it´s illegal and/or frowned upon society, in open public with a high risk of being walked in on accidentally is how these folks are getting their rocks off. It´s only logical that this will go wrong some day, isn´t it?  I would bet my coins on this option in the GShep case you mentioned. Thrillseekers and taboobreakers along with shameless and exhibitionistic bestialists in the "Spink ,Aluzky and Co" tradition are who undermine each and every attempt to "educate" the public a priori with their shit... and shockingly, most of our community supports and defends them due to a tribalistic "us versus them" trench fight mentality distortion of their minds perpetuated on almost every single "zoo" platform instead of outright condemning such behaviour as counterproductive and even harming to our cause. Many in the community seem to like shooting their own foots... 




Don´t mind our first "hard contact", WGW...I´m German and we Germans aren´t said to be blunt and open instead of being polite for nothing. I´d rather have a million people telling me that I´m an asshole for them right into my face than all this false politeness that´s hiding true feelings behind social conventions.  I can distribute punches, so I should be capable to receive some punches, right? [img]<fileStore.core_Emoticons>/emoticons/wink.png[/img]/emoticons/[email protected] 2x" title=";)" width="20" /> So, nevermind, you don´t owe me an apology or an explanation.  




"I hope others can learn to treat us with more kindness"...I share this hope , but I´m afraid that won´t happen until we ourselves learn to treat us and our orientation with respect first. And regarding Rannoch, I can only say that he may have faced a different life if he´d grown up in Europe. As far as I know, all his problems originated in how the US generally treats "deviants" of our kind. My cow loving zoo friend from North Germany did indeed tell his psychotherapist about his love for cows and pigs without any perils of going to jail and his mother does know about her son´s special orientation as well. I met her a couple of times when she was visiting him and she doesn´t seem to make much of a drama out of it, she´s pretty supportive. In the US, no one bats an eye when a bank robber gets shot in the head by police live on TV in the afternoon, when lots of kiddies watch TV, but when Janet Jackson´s nipple is exposed, it´s a nationwide crisis. In Europe, not even the fanatically religious are frightened of a nipple, but any form of violence is frowned upon. I guess that illustrates the divergence in general attitude between the US and Europe better than anything else.   Rannoch´s case doesn´t display a general problem, but a very US specific problem IMHO, one that resonates into all sectors of US society, psychologists, therapeuts, parents, laws etc. pp. You won´t find "sex offender lists" here in Europe...we Europeans think it´s medieval. 


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