Are we our own worst enemy?

[WinterGreenWolf]

16 hours ago, caikgoch said:




There is a giant logical mistake in that line of thought and we will stay heavily handicapped until we recognize it.      I really am an "old zoo".      I remember parts of the civil rights struggles both black and gay people went through (and still do some places).      I have talked with and studied some of the participants.     My own family includes a number of "wops" who had their own struggles a century ago.




Doug Spink, for all his failings, is a Zoo.     So was Ken and Ebon and most of those people we tell those horror stories about.     Think of it this way: is a thirty four year old male that prefers sex with pre-teen girls not a heterosexual?       By trying to deny the sadists and thrill seekers we affirm to the rest of society that our orientation has a dark side.     Since we aren't dealing with it, it is only logical for them to deal with it by wholesale legal suppression.      Why do you think that all of the recent laws have colored themselves as prevention?




Find an old gay and ask them how they got rid of the pedo stigma.      It's where we need to go next.

I want to apologize to the older Zoo crowd and the forum at large (still pretty pissed at 30-30.. This post isn't about him..).




I did let my anger creep in a bit too much and went a bit irrational, the thing is I get sick and tired of every idea or insight put forth being shot down and threads just reeking of troll and bullshit, let alone arguments. I will not leave this forum nor will I allow someone to push me out: but I will try to be as respectful as I can possibly be, hopefully sharing some of my own life experiences and knowledge with those who want it.




I'm going to call a very shaky truce here with Mr. 30-30... But I think us not crossing paths is the best way to avoid this shit..




You have your own ideas 30, some inspirational, some informative... But I'm starting to smell a lot of bullshit, that and you've quite the well-twisted viewpoints..




Bit more on topic here...




I do think we have a good few parallels with the gay community at least (scientifically speaking, people used to call being Homosexual a 'mental disorder'), the DSM is just now removing Zoophilia (in most cases anyways) as a Mental Disorder and is now classifying it as a Paraphilia. If you're arrested in a lot of places though for a mess-up you are now pretty much forced to take a psych evaluation.




I kind of wish I had more of the 'older knowledge' and experiences under my belt Caikgoch: I was born in '87 though so some of the older civil / gay / black rights stuff is lost on me, the more nuanced things anyways.




I'm still pondering an 'open forum' for questions in some way shape or form. Need some very careful steps though. Which, sounds like a broken record: but it can't be stated enough. Witch hunts are so easy now with social medial and the propensity of others to try and Dox you.