11-25-2018, 05:26 AM
..and just as sort of correction..I digged into my archive (like, from 2007) and found whole russian forum was located on different domain after all, so it all (nearly..) still around .....
http://horseplanet.ru/school/
thing is, on my way to my friend I definitely run more often than not into ...horses and ponies with some humans attached (hm ....bad pun), and those humans beg for money for (as they said) feeding their horses ... this is not new thing at all, I just ..don't know what I should/must to do with some of it ....
and moving a bit away from this (over)riding topic (you will have whole of your time to think and rethink it ...and re-act, may be) I still wish to say I see this as ..useful kind of compromise, i mean talking with (semi-outsider) humans about 95% of all our/your actions and ways of living with horses or dogs or whoever else [not directly related to narrow definition of sex. While term like 'sociosexual life' IMO describes reality and connection between two much better than segregating sex into too isolated category. For beings who can be social with us this social part is first, and defining. Sexual part is builds around it .. ], and thus building very good foundation for them not to fail if things ..move in unusual direction... Pushing and overinflating sexual bit is obviously (for me) wrong idea, even if we talk about humans..so, idea about having 'public' zoophilia as ..unusual (for our time) consistency of thinking and behavior towards non-humans. Of course with humans who can think ..(this is point of Nevzorov's 'ideo-logy'. Thinking as essential part of emphaty, care .... and not just thinking, but self-critical thinking..and I should add....other-human-supportive thing, something hard to implement, but essential..because we humans social animals and many of our failures are in collective mode, so something to work on improving... ). I realize humans are not most wanted kinds of beings for ..at least some of older posters here, due to ...many objective, subjective, and mixed reasons. But then again, you people have bigger connection network with other humans who _might_ find those more revolutionary ideas worth discussing and attempting at implementing, not touching ' raw sex bit' (as exclusive topic of discussion..and action...) for a while (just as you want, 30-30). Ew, my way of constructing complex sentences kinda ... hard to read. In short: there is something you and I want or even should put forward, and this something should benefit non-humans regardless of possibility or impossibility of any sexual relations with them. Because if humans behave like .. gentle-mans 95% of their time anyway (100% excluding sex time) - then in last 5% when (if) their sex time come ..they have bigger chance (intuitively) not to fail it than humans who spend their thinking perfecting those 'most wanted/important' 5% and neglecting all other 95, like night of good sex can outwork all wrongs of previous days and years... see my point?
Here is quote from Anthony Weston, may be you will find old philosopher's words useful in your life (from "Is It Too Late? Anthony Weston In An Invitation to Environmental Philosophy, ed. A. Weston (Oxford & New York: Oxford University Press), 1999, 43-68"):
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Jim Nollman plays jazz rhythms with killer whales, orcas. Working
in their media, as it were, not primarily ours, and going to them in a
way that allows them to break off the encounter whenever they wish.
Talk about elementary politeness: this is the most basic
considerateness of all: not forcing your presence or your projects on
another. Millions of official research dollars pour into academic
research on captive animals—or dead animals, the perfect subjects—
while Nollman just jury-rigs a floating drum or puts his guitar in the
canoe and paddles out to visit his friends.
[....]
Nollman is not Saving the Earth. He is not even saving orcas. He is
joining the orcas, with grace, with skill, with etiquette. Free and wild.
Enough to hope for just that.
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of course it all was written nearly 20 years ago..things progressed, so Anthony's views .....
But may be important thing here... movement to re-learn how to love someone shouldn't be activism in current overexcited sense of this word, but just.. living coherently. With some things (elements) not pushed too forward, yet not hidden at least from intellectual understanding and discussion.
<a class="ipsAttachLink" href="//www.zoowg.net/applications/core/interface/file/attachment.php?id=3512">Weston.pdf</a>
