Guns

[caikgoch]

When I was 10 years old my father taught me a valuable lesson.     He let me shoot his 12 ga even though he knew that I was no where near ready for it.     The lesson?     Real guns can hurt you on both ends, unlike the Hollywood props you see where actors fire a Gatling gun one handed from the hip.     It's not arrogance, it's experience.

[Vermilion]

12 hours ago, 30-30 said:




Oh, the arrogance of people shooting cans with real weapons feeling superior to people who do tactical combat (milsim) with "toys"...well, you want me to shoot you in your face with my 3,8 Joule sniper rifle "toy"....come on, it´s "just a toy"....;)

Shure, but then I may shoot you with my 7,5 joule air rifle, which is also just a toy.

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By the way, many armies around the world train with these "toys"...I guess they´re all childish, right?!? 

A soldier holding a teddybear, doesn't make a teddybear a weapon. Good luck in fighting off burglars with plastic balls.

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And if you knew the German weapons law, you´d know that real firearms are prohibited in Germany, with only a few exceptions, so what am I supposed to do? Illegally import an AK 47 from Albania and get caught with it in an instant, leaving my mares on their own while I sit in jail? 

I know the german weapon law, quite good in fact. If you want an AK, get a semi-automatic Saiga. http://www.waffenschumacher.com/shop_62_...chsen_.htm




They also have semi-auto AUGs there.




Since they abolished the ""Anscheinsparagraph" You may own almost anything, as long as it's semi-automatic and holds not more than 10 bullets. You may even own a Panzerbüchse or a .50 sniper if you want and can find a fitting shooting range. You would be shocked what a friend of my got in his cellar, legally.

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Sure, Nazi Germany´s weapon technology was ahead of its time back in the 30´s and 40´s, but you surely understand that Germans won´t react enthusiastically about glorification of these guns.....

Lol, I and most of my friends are quite enthusiastic about these guns and wehrmacht vehicles 'n stuff. You seem to believe you're the only german on english zoo boards. You wouldn't belive it, but not all germans are in eternal glorification of the "Schuldkult". In fact, people grow really tired about it. It was 80 years ago, damn, nobody cares anymore but old people and green party wackos and they both die off anyway. People should focus on todays problems not those a century ago and we have a lot of problems today, that's for shure...

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Heckler & Koch IS a German company, saying that it isn´t just because stuff is produced around the world is like saying that Microsoft isn´t an American company

Yeah, like H&K, Microsoft is a global company.

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btw, my favourite backup is the Steyr-Mannlicher AUG...I just love the bullpup design.

Meh. When it comes to bullpups I say WA2000








 

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When I was 10 years old my father taught me a valuable lesson.     He let me shoot his 12 ga even though he knew that I was no where near ready for it.     The lesson?     Real guns can hurt you on both ends, unlike the Hollywood props you see where actors fire a Gatling gun one handed from the hip.     It's not arrogance, it's experience.

Good thing your father didn't let you shoot a T-Rex:




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[silverwolf1]

Heheheh, "Tactical" claims always crack me up, as does the term "obsolete weaponry". You'd be surprised what modern US Army Special Forces takes into the field, and guerrilla forces 'round the world still use. A great many WWII arms, from several nations, are still maintained and used in our arsenal and there aren't just a few that I've used as "deniable weapons" in genuine tactical situations in several countries.  I don't tend to glorify any weapon, but I do appreciate those made and fielded by NAZI Germany for their accuracy and craftsmanship. In real world situations though, not my first choice. The American mass produced arms of that era are. Why? They are cheaper to replace/ repair, and much easier to teach a novice to fire. As accurate? No, but "spray & pray" firing is the reality in combat, concerns of accuracy are rare. The AK is a piece of garbage but is popular for just these reasons as well. When I want, or the mission calls for, accuracy I'll go to a more modern weapon, and have a long list of available candidates there. I collect modern, because I want reliability and technological advances the above don't have. If the sh*t hits the fan though, I'll be raiding your collections too.




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[Vermilion]

Just now, silverwolf1 said:




The American mass produced arms of that era are. Why? They are cheaper to replace/ repair, and much easier to teach a novice to fire.

Yeah, nothing beats a good old Liberator

[Ramseys]

First I'd like to say hello to all the fellow gun enthusiasts from other countries.

It's too easy to sit in a relatively gun friendly state, (Texas) believe everyone else lives in some, "Gun Free Zone". It is good to see that is not the case.




My hope, first posting this thread was to start a discussion about the mechanical, 'beauty' of firearm design and engineering. From the early revolvers of the 19th century, early 'self-loading' guns of the early 20th, to the modern 'plastic-fantastic' guns of today.




Born from the minds of great engineers like Colt, Browning and Kalashnikov, Schmeisser, Thompson and Eugene Stoner. And many more. All trying to solve the problem to make a man, peoples, country able to defend itself.




I do enjoy the posts about rare and different guns. As well as ones about a plain ol' Ruger or Smith.




From my first 1911 I bought in the 70's to the time I got to fire a 'Trench broom', to my first 9mm. (9mm are like ass-holes, everybody got one.) And my first polymer frame gun. I've found them all unique and just plain old fun to shoot.




Remember this isn't a 'dick measuring' contest, about who has the most toys. But enjoying what we do have, and  maybe a little of what we'd love to get.




Anyone else notice that Colt is making wheel guns again?

[DingoJay]

 As far as double action revolvers go, Colt only seems to be making the Cobra, in .38 Special.  They have sold the "cowboy" style single actions all along, but they're mostly made in Italy, by Uberti, I think.  Maybe they still do some finish work on them in Hartford, I don't know... 




The Trooper Mark III and the Diamondback were both nice pieces but they've been out of production since the 70s or 80s.  The Colts were always rather expensive for what they were and it seems that Ruger and Smith & Wesson pretty much cornered what remained of the wheelgun market.  Both tend to be less finicky and more robust than the Colts.

[Vermilion]

Quite sad what happened to such a traditional and historic company like Colt.

[arcticwolf]

On 2/5/2018 at 1:26 AM, Vermilion said:




Quite sad what happened to such a traditional and historic company like Colt.

Same thing that happens to nearly all company's when they get giant ... corporate greed, and keeping investors happy with ever increasing profit margins. Profit margins drop and investors drop them like flaming bags of dog shit.

[Ramseys]

I guess this goes here.. I mean a bear with a mini-gun. Where else would you put it?




The movie is called Guardians. Russian superheros. One of the crew is a wear-bear.








 




And he wheels a mini-gun.




 




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And he can go "Full Bear Mode".




The gun then 'self-targets', and fires.




 








 




I figured this group would support the right to arm bears. 




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OH.... BTW: It's an awful movie. 




 

[Vermilion]

Quite funny, that this gatling looks more like an american one, rather than a russian.




I must admit, that In my opinion gatings in films are overused. I prefer a good conventional heavy MG. Far more brutal sound.




The Daschka is a hell of a beast.




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