'Small' vs. 'Big' Zoo communities: and the Great Porn Debate...

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Just now, covfefelake said:




We went to the same exact schools growing up.  Like literally.  Even the same college.  Only difference is he dropped out and became a potato, I graduated.




 




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I don't need to prove anything to you.  I already did that elsewhere anyhow.  You are obviously a provable asshole.  Have fun with yourself and the idea that because you never saw it, it can not be true.  I hope it gets you far in life.

What kind of argument is that? I went to school with lots of folks, and still we´re different individuals , with different debating styles. Are you sure you didn´t attend a Chinese "school factory"? [img]<fileStore.core_Emoticons>/emoticons/wink.png[/img]/emoticons/[email protected] 2x" title=";)" width="20" /> Sorry, but from a member of the academia I´d expect more than that lousy "argument". And no, you don´t need to prove anything to me. By the way, this actually got me so far in life that I´m on my own farm, with a riding hall, my four ladies just a few meters away from me, with a luxury car, lots of greenland and a stuffed bank account ( well, somehow at least). Seems like I discovered a success model...maybe I should get a patent on that...

[covfefelake]

31 minutes ago, 30-30 said:




Are you sure you didn´t attend a Chinese "school factory"?

Our college has been called worse: 








Still the best education around.




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look, if you need it, I have proof.  Would that shut you up?  It's not like there's any reason to protect this anymore.  The proof can vary from bland to fucking horrific though, it should be stated.

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By the way, this actually got me so far in life that I´m on my own farm, with a riding hall, my four ladies just a few meters away from me, with a luxury car, lots of greenland and a stuffed bank account ( well, somehow at least). Seems like I discovered a success model...maybe I should get a patent on that...

I hate to break it to you but I think Rannoch has made more money in bitcoin than you'd ever dream of making in your great little scheme.  Too bad his parents stole it all (technically he signed it over, but you know, that was pretty coerced I think)...  So no, feel free to patent that and BTW, since your calling BS, can I call BS on this?  Because it stinks.




Something you should also know about Rannoch is for whatever reason there wasn't a creative bone in his body.  He couldn't come up with a name like "Covfefelake" if his life depended on it.  If you read his stories here this becomes rather aparent...   he glues random vowels together to make unique names. 




In short, there's a reason he stuck to his name (which he stole from a storybook character).  His stories?  They are fucking allegories for forum bans.  He was not creative at all.




Honestly, the only reason I am willing to provide you with evidence is because discussing a man I miss so much like this hurts.  Please stop.  I'll do anything to confirm this to you so you can quit shitting on his grave.

[silverwolf1]

Well, you both earned something. Let's find a way to get back to the topic in this thread.




sw

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11 hours ago, covfefelake said:




Our college has been called worse: 








Still the best education around.




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look, if you need it, I have proof.  Would that shut you up?  It's not like there's any reason to protect this anymore.  The proof can vary from bland to fucking horrific though, it should be stated.




I hate to break it to you but I think Rannoch has made more money in bitcoin than you'd ever dream of making in your great little scheme.  Too bad his parents stole it all (technically he signed it over, but you know, that was pretty coerced I think)...  So no, feel free to patent that and BTW, since your calling BS, can I call BS on this?  Because it stinks.




Something you should also know about Rannoch is for whatever reason there wasn't a creative bone in his body.  He couldn't come up with a name like "Covfefelake" if his life depended on it.  If you read his stories here this becomes rather aparent...   he glues random vowels together to make unique names. 




In short, there's a reason he stuck to his name (which he stole from a storybook character).  His stories?  They are fucking allegories for forum bans.  He was not creative at all.




Honestly, the only reason I am willing to provide you with evidence is because discussing a man I miss so much like this hurts.  Please stop.  I'll do anything to confirm this to you so you can quit shitting on his grave.

I already said that I´m willing to cease the debate about impostoring and fake death...and I usually keep my word. So consider this topic done now.




And regarding the moneymaking, my farm is worth roughly about  1.5 - 1.7  million Euros, including all investments made. Not my numbers, but the numbers my insurance gave. FYI. My last words on this, I won´t derail this threat anymore.

[WinterGreenWolf]

Alright, I sense a warning coming my way, but whatever. I'm sick of this....




There you go -again- 30-30, not really conveying anything and trying to be condescending in six novels worth of text. I don't *need* to walk a life in someone's shoes to see that they are just genuinely being an asshole.




This is what -I- se ebetween you and covfefelake: this guy s an *outsider* and you treat him this way? Seriously? You still act like everyone needs to have -everu- single little thing 'explained' to them as if they're fucking ten, enough!




Also, if you think our 'community', our group of people are so bad: 'stupid', 'idiots', 'beastialists', no need for activism......




Why are you here? Why are you 'wallowing among the filth' as it were? Why not go be with your Mare(s)? Why waste the time, ideals and keystrokes if everyone thinks you graduated from Dickhead University?




See this is what aggrivates me about you, -every single thread- you come in, post, and end up in an argument with someone. You -always- take things *way* too far. You did this shit in my last thread, you did it in SW's 'public relations' thread trying to point out how I was flawed in reversing useless laws, and basically about how I needed to 'relate to society better'.




You know what, fuck society at large, I don't need to adopt every whining, sniveling cry for help and think of the children, I don't -want- to know the social politics about every little thing that goes on.




All I want to do, here or anywhere.. Is try to form a -somewhat- stable community for *US*, the people who can truly embody Zoophilia, and those who want to understand it.. A place with sane rules and regulations (this one fits the bill well) about what can and cannot be posted. A place that's not just another bestiality smut shop Then we can start reaching out.




Whenever someone brings it up though you throw a fucking temper tantrum and cry like a little baby: 'we're not oppressed at all!', 'Activism is terrible!', 'shut up, don't say anything', 'I'm right because ninties!'.




Look, I'm getting angry, and I know it. I'm just sick of a bit of insight followed by two metric tons of bullshit, fake death insults, and condescending anyone who questions you.




So I ask you again, if this is so terrible: we have all these 'aspies' (that's a fucking horrible insult to people who actually suffer a mental disability by the way: I have a good friend in the UK with an autistic daughter who's one of the nicest young ladies I've spoken to, that was the final straw that set me on fire.. One of them...) faking shit and terrible activists: why are you here?




I know I'm not perfect, I know the community is -far- from perfect, but we have a slight chance I feel: it's called optimism... It's also called passion... Something I haven't lost in thirty-one years.




I was at death's door when I was born: a premature birth who's been blind from day one... I know how to fight and I'm sure as hell not giving up now. Especially since this lifestyle, this attraction is with me forever more now. I will not give up, even if I have to sit down and talk to one person at a time until I'm nintey.




Now, as I know it's comming: let the warnings and lock commense, I know SW is probably going to do so.




I'm sorry Silverwolf, but this whole mess is getting ridiculous. Also, I will call someone out for being an idiot or an outright asshole, period.

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Oh my gosh, you´re making way too much of a drama out of this. So, to answer your most important question, I´m still "in here" solely for one reason: to be here if someone who really needs a helping hand is coming in. You know , I have about 15 other zoos I keep steady contact to, mostly people like my cow loving friend whom I pulled out of BF just before he a) killed himself and/ or b) outright exploded due to the immense harm that was done to him by the so called community when he lost his sow. For those few who need me, with all my "assholian" views and approaches.




  Would it soothe your anger if I told you that I was quite similarly energised as you obviously are when I was in my twenties? I´ve been where you are now. But then, 25 more years "happened", 25 years of constant setback, of disappointment dealt to me by what I understood as "my community". I´ve seen too many of those who are using/abusing the ideals behind zoophilia as a comfy shield when under external fire, but kicking ´em to the gutter the very same moment their pants got unzipped. The madness of "having principles" as long as they suit you well... if they´re not , well, basically fuck ´em. 




You have all the rights to call me an asshole, I don´t even object to being called that. You do you, you´re entitled to your own opinion. I won´t stop you from that, but I bet you will be thinking different about me and my assholery if you have more mileage on your own meter.




Say, can you imagine why I propose becoming "invisible"? What if I told you that I absolutely am FOR intelligent activism, but NOT at this moment right now? If you want to calm a water surface, you cannot keep swinging the sledgehammer at it, right? But exactly that is what all "activism" is doing right now, with all of the fencehoppers caught, with incidents like the Kero one, with the massive burden Pinyan unloaded on us, with Spink, the Espenau case, Aluzky, WarCanine who has said plain and frankly that he will openly advocate "zoophilia" in the worst possible way on reddit, only to screw us over...I could go on with more examples that undermine every halfway decent activism right now, these cases , some more, some less, will and do stick in Joe Average´s mind like chewing gum in curly hair. To reverse that, we have to go underground, let everything calm down for maybe a decade or so. And I even can back up this with actual evidence... before the so called "anti zoo" law, the German anti zoo scene was very present, very loud and completely united. After the installment of the law, all of that quickly dissolved entirely, not only because their basic demand of making "zoophilia" illegal was met, but also because the once unified anti scene began to break up into tiny fractions. The more moderate ones were content with how the German law was shaped, others wanted it to be upgraded from misdemeanor to a felony with obligatory incarceration and Germany´s most prominent, but least literate anti zoo Carsten Thierfelde proved to be the perfect poison for the anti scene by honestly implying that he´d only be content if anyone, even people who voiced the least bit of understanding towards zoophiles and zoophilia, was outright executed at sight. Sometimes, the best way to win a war is NOT to fight it and let your enemies kill each other instead. A foesseeable outcome, if you consider the sectarian nature of the anti scene. And then, Kiok and Burdinski (ZETA) as their main targets disappeared all of a sudden, partially because of what I posted to them...remove the targets of hate and the "anti activists", only bound to each other by what they hate, naturally started infighting. Now we are in 2018, the once vocal antis have crawled back into the holes they jumped out prior to 2013 (the year the anti zoo law was installed).  I always was sure that we have to adapt guerrilla strategies in order to improve our chances, especially when fighting with the "opposition", whose hate excesses and outlandish claims how "zoophiles" should be treated ("castrate ´em all with a rusty nail! Gaschambers!!)  maybe drove off more people from their creed to "end zoophilia" than anything our side could have done. Guerrilla tactics: if you fight with an enemy that outpowers and outnumbers you by large, just don´t commit to an open battle. They cannot shoot at targets that aren´t visible, aren´t there. You don´t go on a fuckin´ "pro zoo crusade" with a fuckin´ handful of folks, against a large number of "enemies"...you don´t do a "Leeroy Jenkins"...well, at least if you are in possession of a functioning brain. That´s what is behind my proposal of shutting up, locking the door and quitting social media as a "zoophilia advocator". I too want change, but I prefer to work out tactics and strategies that take more into consideration than my own demands, wishes and hopes. I also observe the "enemy" and try to identify his weak spot. One knife blade, set onto the right throat at the right time, is a million times more effective than entire armies. Hassan I Sabbah, the leader of the Hashishin, the oriental sect of assassins (yes, it doesn´t sound similar by accident), said that...and I agree fullheartedly with him. We cannot afford to go in heads first, we cannot outpower our enemies, we cannot outgun them, so the only viable and logic option is to outsmart them.  Undertand my point now, WGW? Has the anger decreased a bit? Anger is a good motivator, but a bad comrade in battle. Be smarter. Smarter than those who tried to "educate society" before you,learn from their mistakes, don´t replicate them. My firm belief: we need to let the waters calm down before we ever re engage with society in battles over "zoophilia". It´s so much a matter of timing, being a guerrilla, let alone an EFFECTIVE guerrilla,  demands patience as the very first and most essential virtue. Be patient. Wait for the right time. This is not the right time. Wait. And don´t forget to enjoy your life with your animal companion in the meantime.    




 

[WinterGreenWolf]

41 minutes ago, 30-30 said:




Oh my gosh, you´re making way too much of a drama out of this. So, to answer your most important question, I´m still "in here" solely for one reason: to be here if someone who really needs a helping hand is coming in. You know , I have about 15 other zoos I keep steady contact to, mostly people like my cow loving friend whom I pulled out of BF just before he a) killed himself and/ or b) outright exploded due to the immense harm that was done to him by the so called community when he lost his sow. For those few who need me, with all my "assholian" views and approaches.




  Would it soothe your anger if I told you that I was quite similarly energised as you obviously are when I was in my twenties? I´ve been where you are now. But then, 25 more years "happened", 25 years of constant setback, of disappointment dealt to me by what I understood as "my community". I´ve seen too many of those who are using/abusing the ideals behind zoophilia as a comfy shield when under external fire, but kicking ´em to the gutter the very same moment their pants got unzipped. The madness of "having principles" as long as they suit you well... if they´re not , well, basically fuck ´em. 




You have all the rights to call me an asshole, I don´t even object to being called that. You do you, you´re entitled to your own opinion. I won´t stop you from that, but I bet you will be thinking different about me and my assholery if you have more mileage on your own meter.




Say, can you imagine why I propose becoming "invisible"? What if I told you that I absolutely am FOR intelligent activism, but NOT at this moment right now? If you want to calm a water surface, you cannot keep swinging the sledgehammer at it, right? But exactly that is what all "activism" is doing right now, with all of the fencehoppers caught, with incidents like the Kero one, with the massive burden Pinyan unloaded on us, with Spink, the Espenau case, Aluzky, WarCanine who has said plain and frankly that he will openly advocate "zoophilia" in the worst possible way on reddit, only to screw us over...I could go on with more examples that undermine every halfway decent activism right now, these cases , some more, some less, will and do stick in Joe Average´s mind like chewing gum in curly hair. To reverse that, we have to go underground, let everything calm down for maybe a decade or so. And I even can back up this with actual evidence... before the so called "anti zoo" law, the German anti zoo scene was very present, very loud and completely united. After the installment of the law, all of that quickly dissolved entirely, not only because their basic demand of making "zoophilia" illegal was met, but also because the once unified anti scene began to break up into tiny fractions. The more moderate ones were content with how the German law was shaped, others wanted it to be upgraded from misdemeanor to a felony with obligatory incarceration and Germany´s most prominent, but least literate anti zoo Carsten Thierfelde proved to be the perfect poison for the anti scene by honestly implying that he´d only be content if anyone, even people who voiced the least bit of understanding towards zoophiles and zoophilia, was outright executed at sight. Sometimes, the best way to win a war is NOT to fight it and let your enemies kill each other instead. A foesseeable outcome, if you consider the sectarian nature of the anti scene. And then, Kiok and Burdinski (ZETA) as their main targets disappeared all of a sudden, partially because of what I posted to them...remove the targets of hate and the "anti activists", only bound to each other by what they hate, naturally started infighting. Now we are in 2018, the once vocal antis have crawled back into the holes they jumped out prior to 2013 (the year the anti zoo law was installed).  I always was sure that we have to adapt guerrilla strategies in order to improve our chances, especially when fighting with the "opposition", whose hate excesses and outlandish claims how "zoophiles" should be treated ("castrate ´em all with a rusty nail! Gaschambers!!)  maybe drove off more people from their creed to "end zoophilia" than anything our side could have done. Guerrilla tactics: if you fight with an enemy that outpowers and outnumbers you by large, just don´t commit to an open battle. They cannot shoot at targets that aren´t visible, aren´t there. You don´t go on a fuckin´ "pro zoo crusade" with a fuckin´ handful of folks, against a large number of "enemies"...you don´t do a "Leeroy Jenkins"...well, at least if you are in possession of a functioning brain. That´s what is behind my proposal of shutting up, locking the door and quitting social media as a "zoophilia advocator". I too want change, but I prefer to work out tactics and strategies that take more into consideration than my own demands, wishes and hopes. I also observe the "enemy" and try to identify his weak spot. One knife blade, set onto the right throat at the right time, is a million times more effective than entire armies. Hassan I Sabbah, the leader of the Hashishin, the oriental sect of assassins (yes, it doesn´t sound similar by accident), said that...and I agree fullheartedly with him. We cannot afford to go in heads first, we cannot outpower our enemies, we cannot outgun them, so the only viable and logic option is to outsmart them.  Undertand my point now, WGW? Has the anger decreased a bit? Anger is a good motivator, but a bad comrade in battle. Be smarter. Smarter than those who tried to "educate society" before you,learn from their mistakes, don´t replicate them. My firm belief: we need to let the waters calm down before we ever re engage with society in battles over "zoophilia". It´s so much a matter of timing, being a guerrilla, let alone an EFFECTIVE guerrilla,  demands patience as the very first and most essential virtue. Be patient. Wait for the right time. This is not the right time. Wait. And don´t forget to enjoy your life with your animal companion in the meantime.  

Okay, I am quoting you because this is a *direct* response to you!




I'll admit, I was pretty rash, maybe a bit too much so. But I've got something to say, and you're damn well going to listen...




I do *not* want to hear another word from you on 'old zoo', on 'a lot more miles' because I could give a shit less.




What I am pissed off at you over, is the fact that virtually every debate or conversation you get involved in boils to a stupid argument revolving around insults and how terrible the community is. That gets real old, real quick. I'll have you know as well, I've been through a lot of the same shit you have and then some. Hell I barely skate by some days in one piece it feels like.




The threads I make, are for my own opinions, and for information on topics that could be quite important for *all* of us, not one, two or a whole board of beastialists.




Hell, we were doing just fine until you and covfefelake decided to have your pissing match, in my thread none the less. I don't go to your threads and pick fights with people 30-30, matter of fact apart from pointing out your assholery to you I don't think I've picked a fight with -anyone- here  other than WarCanine, and even then he dug his own grave here.




Listen, I want to like you: and in a lot of ways I do, but you have fucking *got* to stop turning every argument or someone who disagrees with you in to a shit show. You and covfefelake earned a warning already and my little outburst will earn me one for sure. But I've just had it.




I concede to you on offering a helping hand, I try very much to do the same if you remember me saying: and no, your older age will not quell the anger, the absolute hatred for some of the positively idiotic people I've ran across over the years involving *us* as a whole.




I don't want to block you, and I want to even continue to get some insight from you and hopefully *give* you some of my own, you haven't 'lived everything' and neither have I.




But for gods sake mate if you want to piss in the wind with someone could you take it to PMs or something? You two can swear, rant, rave, talk it out and hug and make up: without destroying a thread and spreading a bunch of depressive bullshit among what is some useful information. For example what you told me about Ken, the origin of the word 'Zoophilia / Zooophile' and what matters to you about those definitions.




That was excellent information and a nice glimpse of what my 'fellow zoos' are like.




THe pissing matches have got to come to an end though, else I'll have no choice but to avoid you like I did WC before he received the final nail in the coffin.




Also, a bit of a personal gripe here: but could you -please- stop blurbing about Greek mythology, Oriental saints, and old proverbs ? What's wrong with stating your own opinions on something without referencing some archaic text or ancient saint?




To answer one of your other questions, no.. I'm still pretty damn hot right now... I just popped back in to check the 'status' of this little matter.




I'm honestly pissed at both you and covfefelake in some ways.. I get fucking tired of seeing you two spat with each other, it's depressing as all hell and I'm going to take it at face-value and say he really is an outsider. If that is indeed the case then treating them (the outside) this way isn't a way to 'calm the waters' either. It merely starts more shit and makes us look worse, again.




As a quick aside, I didn't say the above for 'activism' sake, but we do need all the help we can get. At least for the hopes of some day not having to be so paranoid. Even without throwing our love lives on the internet (which I disagree with anyways, you know this...).




 

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It´s only 3 years, 1 month and 3 weeks until the 6th of january 2022. On that day, I´ll write a retirement post and then no one of you will ever have to deal with my "assholery" again, okay? [img]<fileStore.core_Emoticons>/emoticons/wink.png[/img]/emoticons/[email protected] 2x" title=";)" width="20" />  Not in zoowg, not in any other zoo forum. Do you think you can bear with me for a bit more than 1000 days, WGW? 

[littlejohn]

Out of sheer curiosity, what is the significance of that date to you?




 

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5 hours ago, littlejohn said:




Out of sheer curiosity, what is the significance of that date to you?




 

I will turn 50 by that date.