I've thought about this for a while and I'm wondering if social anxiety is why I turned out to be zoosexual; I've always had issues connecting with people; (that may also stem from Autism), whereas I have no problem at all connecting with animals, no anxiety, no fear of being let down or judged; that fear I'm talking about is crippling, it keeps me from developing even the simplest relationship with people..
Then on the other hand me being a zoophile may be the cause of my anxiety in the first place; we live in a world were if your different your shunned for it..
It wasn't a choice of mine to be a zoophile, it's who I am, who I've always been, what bothers me the most is the fact that I'm not even allowed to be myself, basically what all these laws against us entitle is people like myself that are exclusively zoosexual are supposed to live a life alone, without the opportunity to love because our love is illegal..
I don't have the means to be different, I'm not wired to people that way; I know I've said it many times, it's because it's a truth everyone will question..
I've heard people say why take the hard route, why not just be normal, what they don't realize is I never really had the choice to be, I tried that route, and it did more harm than good to me..
"...no fear of being let down or judged..." is more often than not the only "reason" to "become" a "zoo" for many. But for me, this is similar to becoming gay because you hate of feel uncomfortable with women (or a lesbian if you hate/feel uncomfortable with men). In my opinion, animals are often used as easy to manage and non demanding fallbacks by people who have trust issues, psychological/mental issues etc.
One fairly prominent example of this special form of "zoophilia" is George Willard a.k.a. Mark Matthews a.k.a. "The horseman". In his book, Willard offers us insight into the mind of a very obvious misogynic man that keeps a pony in his garage so he can get his rocks off whenever his wife isn´t in the mood...Willard also included this "animals don´t judge you and are easier to deal with" phrase in his book and anyone who endured reading through this bullshit bible will quite effortlessly draw the same conclusions as I did back then when the book came out...during reading, my feelings of "This guy isn´t even close to what it means to be a zoophile" exponentially increased.
I never experienced similar thoughts, I never expected a relationship to be solely for my needs as Willard and all the "substitute zoos" obviously do. Relationships are an investment of feelings, expectations and emotions...but like in every other investment, you can "lose the bet". It is exactly this "angst" of being hurt that drives these individuals towards "zoophilia" . Lack of control, having to deal with another person with different needs and ideas, dissent, having to give rather that take, having to abstain from some things...all of that are pretty idiotic "reasons" to turn towards animals. The "love" these people feel is basically self love. Real love hurts...and it always carries the potential to get hurt emotionally.
When I was young, just realising my sexual orientation when I was 15/16, I martyred myself with this question. I kept questioning myself whether my orientation is a result of enormous sympathy for horses or the result of antipathy for women/humans/society/whatever or fear of getting emotionally hurt in a relationship. Today, I still cannot answer this question fully, but I found out I don´t have issues with women and I don´t fear the downsides of a relationship. It isn´t that what keeps me from women, it´s just that I am not at all interested in mating with a female human. I can have friendships with women, some of them even very deep ones, but when it comes to the "highest level" of friendship where sexuality is a vital part of it, I´m just not interested. It just feels wrong to me. And btw, the notion that relationships with animals are unproblematic is so blatantly wrong in itself and is only sustained by the vast ignorance many "zoos" sport in regards of animal behaviour. It surely is easier to turn a blind eye to the needs and personality of an animal, especially when these animals are the most domesticated ones mankind has produced.
It basically all boils down to that simple question: Are you really interested in your animal or are you just interested in what this animal can provide you with? How much are you willing to give for your animal? And how much of that would be left if your animal would deny you any sex from now on? Each and every zoophile has to do some introspection in himself to answer these questions..that is, if he really wants to find out whether he really is a zoo or not. Ending up in "zoophilia" only because you flee proper human relationships that demand you to give in to your human partner in some extend is NOT zoophilia. This is egotism and choosing the path with the least resistance to get laid, none more and none less.
"...I´m not allowed to be myself..." No, just no. What you aren´t allowed is to have sex with an animal. And what you "aren´t allowed" either is openly promoting your sex life in public. You still can learn to remain silent about your PRIVATE life and no one will ever care about what you do when you´re home alone with your animal. If the animal does not show any behavioural changes or injuries, chances are pretty high no one will give a shit about you being a practicing zoophile in your entire life.
"Silentium aurum est"...silence is golden. This proverb maybe is the most fitting for zoophiles and basically every conflict we zoos have with society is based on a violation of this fundamental proverb´s advice. May I remind you that there was a time BEFORE the Enumclaw incident when nobody, not even the authorities cared too much about people fucking animals? Only the worst idiots were caught, those who seem to be incapable even spelling "self protection" and "reasonable and moderate behaviour"...I can only stress how much of the current hostile situation we found ourselves in has been our own fault by failing to self moderate us and our entire scene. Society isn´t as bad as we like to portray it, isn´t sporting an "inherited hate" for zoophiles...much of the hostility we face today was well earned by all the sick and distorted stuff that made it into the headlines and is currently displayed by animal pornography. We zoos never managed to disconnect from the fetishists and perverts and so we´re thrown into the same drawer with them...and if someone like me appears to voice out how inefficient and moronic , how onesided and egotistical our ideas, expectations and demands are, he´s branded a looney, a hater or a "Nestbeschmutzer" (defiler of the nest) instead. Criticism isn´t appreciated in our circles, the trenches have been dug deep on both sides of the frontline, the "us versus them" mentality has prevailed...and also brought us to this exact point in history, with worldwide bans of "zoophilia".
I can only report what I´ve experienced in more than 22 years of living with my Hannover mare in several public boarding stables..people aren´t as hostile as it often is said in our community. People knew or at least suspected that my mare and me were a genuine couple everywhere we were. But I never had to go through a witchhunt or experienced direct opposition. No one threw me under the bus for my sexuality. But I kept it out of their sight, I have to add. I am very much aware of how traumatising it can be for Joe Average to discover that this guy over there sleeps with his mare..I always thought that tolerance has to be mutual to work out. As much as I wanted to be tolerated (not to be mistaken for what most people think it means..."tolerare" is Latin for "to endure something you aren´t content with" rather than "I expect a pat on the shoulder for being an animal fucker"), I also understood that I had to be tolerant in regards of NOT forcefully confronting "normal" people with my sexuality. My life in these boarding stables was some kind of a mutual agreement of silence..."If you keep your weird stuff to yourself and moderate, we won´t talk about it".
So, my advice for you would be: Keep your sexuality to yourself. No one needs to know what you´re doing in your bedroom as long as it isn´t negatively influencing your animal. Have some respect for society that still recovers from the LGBT movement´s changes brought into society. You can only bend structures in a certain amount before they break..and much of the backlash, the antis , the laws and everything stems from denying this simple fact. You cannot teach by word, you have to teach by example. Just be a moderate, mentally stable, reasonable, responsible and caring genuine zoophile, that absolutely suffices to influence society. Quit the drama queen bs and live your life the best way possible instead of constantly complaining about "unjust society"...and even if you don´t leave a mark, you at least have lived a pleasant life with your animal. That´s what counts in the end. Don´t complain, live. Your time is limited and so is the time of your animal. Are you really gonna waste it in fighting for a lost cause ("zoophile rights") that will mostly benefit those among us who will inevitably abuse these "rights" to make a happy buck with animals (animal porn), those who are just in it for quick and easy access to "horse cunts" and "dog dicks"? Seen in the light of objectivity, all these laws against "zoophilia" affect the real zoos the least and the most despicable ones the most. And if just one animal is spared from a "zoo" asshole blatantly abusing it by the "unjust" laws, I´m absolutely willing and prepared to live with the increased danger for my mares and myself. Zoophilia should always put the animals first, even if that means remaining calm when laws against "zoophilia" are installed worldwide. If every zoo would finally learn to stand by themselves and what they are without that stupid drama and the urge to tell the world that they like to fuck with animals, we´d be several steps ahead. You have to justify your deeds solely for yourself, so let´s stop this fishing for assurement once and for all. True love will prevail.And until that happens, keep yourself and your animal safe at all costs, even if this means to be condemned to a life of silence. In the end, this is the most benefitting choice, compared to the fuss all these "zoo rights activists" have made in the past...massively contributing to the current situation. Silentium aurum est.
I have some thoughts about this because I have noticed a good percentage of zoos who are on the spectrum, myself included. At least from what I've seen, it seems to be a higher percent than the general population. I think there are a few possibilities.
First is that there is something about autistic people that predisposes them to zoophilia. Many people with autism have social anxiety and many connect more to/are more interested in animals than people. It doesn't seem like a big stretch for that to carry into sexual feelings once they develop, which is personally what it seems like happened with me.
Secondly I've noticed autistic people seem to be more likely than the general population to be lgbt, kinky, or otherwise be open about alternative sexual identities and sexual practices. There are a few places this might stem from including a lack of connection to or apathy towards social norms leading to more openness towards exploring and embracing alternative sexual identities.
Lastly are the attempts to explain why there might not actually be a link. It's possible that the platforms people tend to discuss zoophilia on are especially appealing to people with autism and/or social anxiety. It's also possible that autistic zoophiles are more likely to be open about it/seek out social interaction based upon it than non-autistic zoophiles. It's also possible autistic zoophiles are less likely to suppress their feelings and more likely to form an identity around them.
Personally I think there is a link. I know that's a statement that'll be unpopular in both autism and zoophile circles, but whatever.
11-28-2017, 03:40 AM
(This post was last modified: 11-28-2017, 03:40 AM by Cynolove693.)
To answer your questions 30-30 yes I am interested in my animal, hes my best friend, I would give the food of my plate and go hungry if it came down to it, we may no be in love but our relationship is just beginning.. as for sex hes tried and I've turned it down, for a couple reasons, so ya nothing will change if we dont have sex as my feelings for him are more profound than that..
Jeez I say one darn thing and it deserves a 12 paragraph of a rant àbout fallbacks, the law and questioning wether I'm a true zoo or not??? [img]<fileStore.core_Emoticons>/emoticons/tongue.png[/img]/emoticons/ [email protected] 2x" title=":P" width="20" />
Not trying to be rude but you seem to be harboring alot of irritation or something lol
11-28-2017, 03:54 AM
(This post was last modified: 11-28-2017, 04:29 AM by Cynolove693.)
Anyways... None of us are perfect, if you think so it's just your ego telling you that, I'm so tired of this "true" zoo idealism that's going around.. we all have our failures and drawbacks; we've all had sex out of just lust at one point or another.., if someone decides that they would rather be with animals over Humans I see nothing wrong with that decision, but some of us didn't make the choice it was made for us with how we are wired..
For as long as I can remember I've found I'm drawn to animals over people, it's something that is just a part of me, has always been; it may be controversial but I believe I was born with this orientation
Yeh, sometimes it really is simple. My final convincer was being in bed, balls deep in a woman, and I couldn't cum unless I closed my eyes and imagined she was an animal.
@ 30-30, How do Spink and Pepe fit into this grand plan of yours?
Who says that my text was dealing with your personal situation and not a general statement? Are you really so self absorbed that you identify everything as a direct attack towards you?
I brought up all of this because of certain reasons, such as the former chairman of ZETA, Michael Kiok, has publicly said he hates humans and his "zoophilia" or whatever he calls his twisted sexuality is foremost based on his despise of humans. When this is the predominant "reason" to turn towards animals, it´s not exactly hard to see some elemental mental problems in so called "zoos". But anyway, you won´t listen to anyone who´s not spewing your filter bubble´s dogma, as it seems.
On the autism thing, I am rather divided. I do see why someone with autism can end up with an animal as their partner, but I also assume this diagnosis is (ab-)used by many because it serves pretty well as an "impenetrable shield". I also wonder what exactly bringing up autism will prove here...except that "zoophilia" indeed is a symtom of a mental illness and therefor equals mental illness. More ammunition for our opponents, huh?
I still stand by what I wrote in my "lengthy reply" and am absolutely not sorry about your inconvenience having to read something that exceeds Twitteresque format. If reading through some paragraphs stresses you out that much, I really hope you have more patience with your animal.
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On the autism thing, I am rather divided. I do see why someone with autism can end up with an animal as their partner, but I also assume this diagnosis is (ab-)used by many because it serves pretty well as an "impenetrable shield". I also wonder what exactly bringing up autism will prove here...except that "zoophilia" indeed is a symtom of a mental illness and therefor equals mental illness. More ammunition for our opponents, huh?
Autism isn't a mental illness fyi. Bringing it up doesn't need to 'prove' anything. Not everything is about performative respectability politics. Sometimes people just notice something about themselves and want to know if anyone else has the same experience.
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Yeh, sometimes it really is simple. My final convincer was being in bed, balls deep in a woman, and I couldn't cum unless I closed my eyes and imagined she was an animal.
@ 30-30, How do Spink and Pepe fit into this grand plan of yours?
Honestly, that´s the lamest "reason" for being a zoo I´ve ever heard...
How Mr Coke Dealer and his animal porn production fit into my "plan"? And what plan are you talking about? You seem to know more about it than myself...;)
If there is a "plan", then you can be assured that none of you is part of that plan. I abandoned the idea of "teaching the public" about zoophilia a long time ago and stumbling across Beastforum and its inhabitants only made this decision even more easy for me. The normals are partially right with all their criticism, they´re partially right in accusing "the zoophiles" of being predominantly selfish pricks who only have their own gratification in their twisted minds. The only "plan" worth calling it that would be my proposal of pressing the reset button in our community and sort it all out from scratch anew, according to the changed environment in the age of the internet and full 24/7 access to animal porn.
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Who says that my text was dealing with your personal situation and not a general statement? Are you really so self absorbed that you identify everything as a direct attack towards you?
I brought up all of this because of certain reasons, such as the former chairman of ZETA, Michael Kiok, has publicly said he hates humans and his "zoophilia" or whatever he calls his twisted sexuality is foremost based on his despise of humans. When this is the predominant "reason" to turn towards animals, it´s not exactly hard to see some elemental mental problems in so called "zoos". But anyway, you won´t listen to anyone who´s not spewing your filter bubble´s dogma, as it seems.
On the autism thing, I am rather divided. I do see why someone with autism can end up with an animal as their partner, but I also assume this diagnosis is (ab-)used by many because it serves pretty well as an "impenetrable shield". I also wonder what exactly bringing up autism will prove here...except that "zoophilia" indeed is a symtom of a mental illness and therefor equals mental illness. More ammunition for our opponents, huh?
I still stand by what I wrote in my "lengthy reply" and am absolutely not sorry about your inconvenience having to read something that exceeds Twitteresque format. If reading through some paragraphs stresses you out that much, I really hope you have more patience with your animal.
Well sorry I took it the wrong way when you sad all zoos need to ask themselves those questions, in a sense you were referring to me...
Also I'm not trying to prove anything here man, it was just a thought, and it's not like any non zoo even comes to this site so lighten up dude..
Reading through that didn't stress me at all, if anything I'm just dumbfounded by the arrogance in the whole speech, and now you wanna suggest that I have no patience with my animal, you don't even know me, your being rather rude dude
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