03-03-2018, 07:13 PM
Egoldstein, I second silverwolf´s comment and like to add that I´ve been telling exactly why we as a community failed so miserably with all our attempts regarding gaining tolerance. I´ve laid it out quite often in reddit and I will repeat it here, for you and the last time now: We as a community are blinded by "tolerance". We literally crave to see "the good" in each and every caught "zoo" perpetrator like it happened in more cases than I can remember. And when it comes to light that someone of these perpetrators wasn´t exactly the "nice, harmless and totally persecuted zoo", but a genuine arsehole with , for example, child porn also on his hard disk or causing actual harm on the animals he has fencehopped on like in the Espenau case or any other case that turned out NOT to fit into the usual " we zoos are all inherently good people" narrative sported by the entire community, we as a community always stand there , with nothing else but our "tolerance" narrative. It´s like this for decades now. "Tolerance" has made us blind, tribalism ("my tribe" vs. them) actively inhibits any progress. Say, do you remember this LadySaberCat? She summed it up quite well when she was writing that we, the "zoo" community, always get loud when "one of us" is under fire for all kinds of reasons, but we actually seem to totally forget our very basic principles. She accused our community of being blind towards suffering animals...and I have to subscribe this. Everybody focuses on the "unjustly persecuted zoos", but hardly anyone care for the animals who were mistreated, abused and even hurt by "zoophilia".
We all claim to be "the real animal advocates", but in fact, the most of us are acting and speaking as if the animals are mere accessoires of their lust and hardly anyone even tries to find a non partisan, non biased position that includes the rights of ALL parties included. Plus we all make it extra difficult for the outsiders to see differences in our pretty heterogenic group....and when someone like me proposes to set some rules that would separate the "good" from the "bad" zoos, the autistic screeching immediately starts. An automated reflex in the name of misunderstood "tolerance", that´s what our community can be perfectly summed up under. That impenetrable wall we face when dealing with society, that is just the logical result of that stupid "all inclusive" agenda this community applies to almost anyone interested in sex with animals...everybody´s a "zoo" a priori. The same word used for everyone in this will naturally result in being thrown into the same drawer with literally anyone else, regardless of intention, action and philosophy (or the total lack thereof) of the people involved. "Big zoo unity" has turned out as a huge pile of crap....and no one wants to see the obvious because the feelgood agenda in this community "shall not be infringed upon"....is it really still the animals we´re doing all this for? Or has this entire stuff mutated into a fandom, a peer group of bestialists long ago?
I´ve been preaching it for so long now, but because of what I preach is self reflection instead of childish mutual shoulder patting, everyone continues with the easier option. It´s not about animals anymore, it´s about "zoo rights", the imaginary "right" of friggin HUMANS to fuck whatever they want, without any respect for their quadruped partners. You all made it into a HUMAN issue and abandoned the animal rights long ago...self centered and blind to your own mistakes. Perceived superiority (" I have superior knowledge because I fuck animals!"), an allergy to anything that could disturb the various "zoo" hug boxes and echo chambers, the loudmouthedness whenever you feel "persecuted", but the almost complete silence whenever your agenda of "we´re all a happy animal fucker community" gets shattered by reality...all of that contributed to the vast schism between the zoos and society. As I said it so many times before: WE ARE BLIND TOWARDS OUR OWN MISTAKES AND WRONGDOINGS.
Most of us seem to be interested only in mutual reassurement when we really should be more interested in finding the hell out what is going on, with us, with the animals we claim to love, with society, with the "zoo haters"....all we seem to be able to squeeze out of our head are semi-logical apologies and self victimisation instead. Where are the real discussions? Where is the exit of this comfy hug box? Look, I too see the necessity of building up fellow zoo´s self esteem, but we as a community fell into one of the usual trapdoors of social media. Affirmation seems to be valued higher than acknowledging reality and act accordingly to all the issues and doubts we zoos face. The filter bubble....the trench fight mentality. If we want to create functioning and well prepared members of our community, we HAVE to get rid of that "all inclusive" attitude. If we want to gain some traction in society, we HAVE to change something in what we do, how we deal with everything. We´re doing the same failed experiment for more than two decades now and all we got is more and more backlash, more and more opposition. When is the time to put all of our dearly held beliefs onto the test. When if not now? How long will we perpetuate walking down the same wrong paths before we *en gros* realise we´re walking the wrong paths?
The "stupid and unfair" laws didn´t come out of nowhere, Egoldstein. There were reasons to create and apply them. Only a fool could deny that we had something to do with that...we failed to clean up our community from all the troublemakers and idiots mistaking "zoophilia" as a sexual playground. We failed to issue strong and distinctive rules that protect our entire community for exactly that what we´re now facing...and we failed to put pressure onto the "dissenters", the ones who think their ego has more say than our rules. And the sad thing about it all.....we already were at the same fucking point some 25 years ago! We veterans have seen it coming like it is today, we wanted to prevent that by what you all know as the zeta rules...and what thoughout the years has been left of them after the "I know it better" folks have had their say on these rules. Complacency, "tolerance", corps mentality, the taboo of criticism...we as a community have become a disgrace. The only thing that keeps us together is the animal fucking thing...we don´t even share the same few basic principles anymore and even if someone blatantly shows that he/she is abusing an animal as a mere sex toy, anyone clearly saying that this isn´t zoophilia gets scolded and belittled "in the name of the holy tolerance". We got drunk on "tolerance" and thus have become unable to fight for anything. Complacency, "team spirit" and the hug box mentality have made it this way. What we need are soldiers, well trained soldiers...but what we got are angsty teenagers, fantasizers and roleplayers instead.And all of them are "real zoos"..."don´t let that grumpy intolerant hater tell you otherwise"....We are our own demise, our own worst enemy...and all of that in the name of "tolerance". We "tolerated" ourselves into meaninglessness. Each and every single individual in our community who is also parroting the "tolerance" mantra is equally guilty of that. Many of us can´t actually function correctly as individuals....how could we veterans be so blind and even presume that a lot of us could ever function as well prepared, well trained and dedicated group? I just don´t know...the "we" is used when it comes in handy, the "I" when using the "we" isn´t . But I say: If we want to be a community, then we have to be accountable for what "we" do...either there´s no zoo community and everybody is entirely to blame for his own fuckups...or we could grow some balls and interpret that "we" as what it is. What one of "us" does is OUR responsibility, no matter what.
