03-18-2018, 09:08 AM
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9 hours ago, heavyhorse said:
I respectfully disagree with this part of the comment.
I can personally speak to there being active zoos long before the internet even existed. And I really doubt that Google widely post(ed) Beastforum hits to random searches; people had to enter it in "Search". Or that Beastforum (which I mention because it's the most visible, not because I like or endorse it) made anyone that wasn't "beastcurious" before they went there decide to jump their animal. Every comment I've seen regarding the subject has been more along the lines of "I'm so glad to find this place existed; I thought I was alone". I've never seen one that said: "I never thought about it before, but now I want to fuck an animal".
I personally suspect that witnessing animal sexuality made more zoos than anything else did.
About the "beastcurious" thing: First of all, don´t you think the exposure to animal pornography that today can be easily accessed with a few clicks is actually creating a whole lot of these "beastcurious" folks? And what about all those simple taboo- and thrillseekers, porn addicts that don´t get "the job done" anymore by more "normal" porn (usual drug addiction symptoms of frequency, dosage and potency increase over time, inevitably leading to one or more of the three major taboos that still exist: necro, paedo and beast). What about the huge part of our scene that abuses intercourse with animals as part of their s/m practices? ("My master ordered me to get fucked by doggie!")...look, since the internet became more publicly accepted towards the end of the 90s, the so called zoo community lost its homogenity and became more and more heterogenic, motives to engage in, associate with and participate in the "zoo community" immensely diversified, compared to how homogenic that all was in the beginning of "online zoophilia". "Beastcurious" practically means nothing....especially not if you look into Beastforum´s user count and how many of these users actually are longtime interested in this...most of the roughly around 1.5 mil BF users seem to have only a temporary interest in this. Without such prominent starting points like BF, effortlessly providing the "beastcurious" with their daily "fix", a whole lot of adventurous folks would never ever even think twice about animal sex. You have to realise there´s folks out there just stumbling into our community by accident and without any intend to ever become active themselves. Estimations are that roughly 70 - 80 % of those "online zoos" won´t ever become active with an animal their entire life. Few "doers", lots of leeches trying to get their kicks and reassurance of their phantasies.
I really don´t know why many people cannot draw the right conclusions here : as our visibility rose due to growing "zoo forums" like BF, attention of the authorities also increased. I can only repeat what I have written so often now....Silke Lautenschläger, the official that first brought "zoophilia" into the consciousness of German legislators (result: in july 2013, "zoophilia" was banned in Germany), has said herself that "zoo" online forums like BF and the picture those give about "zoophilia" played a major role in outlawing interspecies sex acts.She said "What once was a relatively tolerable (!) and rare practice of but a few , has become a serious issue today, with everything that makes government intervention necessary: obvious linking with the international porn mafia, a steadily increasing subtone of violence and plain egotism in handling animals, animal prostitution as a practice becoming more and more common and obligatory among those in the BF filter bubble ( "Sharing is caring!" ) and all the other negative direct effects connecting a bunch of limitless pervos mutually reassuring each other of their "chivalrous motives" and simultaneously denying any form of criticism not fitting into their "echo chamber think" will inevitably lead to. Our entire community lacks one ultimately important feature, and it lacks this right from the moment when animal porn became widespread and accessible : a corrective. Our public image is down the drains forever and a large part in shaping and forming this unfavorable image the online presence of "zoos" created and still create. Literally no one is aware that each and every one of us is some kind of an ambassador for zoophilia and every single action, every single word is watched and listened to closely by the outsiders. For many "zoos", zoophilia is a playground without rules, where "anything goes" and no one of your comrades shall ever criticise you for anything or he´s a "zoophobe" and a "hater".
Even those who discovered BF already "beastcurious" still can become a victim of this mutual confirmation filter bubble and can be encouraged to "give it a try" by the general forum dogma of uploading / "contributing" selfmade porn as an entry ticket to the "real inner circle"...actually, there was a couple on BF that was influenced by this forum´s general unwritten rules to upload own "material" and promptly got caught and exposed. Those two probably would never had the courage to actually do "doggie stuff" if BF never existed....in my dialogue with them via PMs, I never caught the notion that any of those two was actually interested in animals the way a real zoophile should be...they both came across as the typical, sexually bored, but damn average couple of "normies" just searching for something to spice up their sex life. If I´m informed correctly, both are sitting in jail now...while the owners of BF still make bucks, lots of bucks with their "shared" vid. The couple breathes steel bar filtered air while BF´s profiteurs sit on their golden toilet, wiping their asses after taking a dump with 100 dollar bills.
If you research a bit, you simply cannot deny that it all became pretty fucked up and a lot of that fuckedupness is contributed by forums like BF. A lot of the usual accusations zoos face can be tracked back to animal porn and the picture it paints of "zoophilia", quite some of the flack zoos are facing also stems from the mindless usage of the z-word for nearly everyone whose crotch itched in the presence of an animal. Compared to the 80s, the media landscape and its habits definitively changed , became more hysterical and sensationalistic, but that does not fully explain the massive wave of new laws against "zoophilia" that are installed almost globally these days. A large part of that we, the community, caused ourselves by unforesightful attitudes and behaviour. By our denial regarding the grey and black spots of "zoophilia", by denial of a necessary division between beasties and zoos, by apologetic reflexes whenever some "zoo" makes another spicy headline in the news. Overall, I see the "guilt distribution" like this: 10% are society´s fault for not having an open discussion about zoophilia with us, without prejudice, 40 % are contributed by our own stubbornness , idiocy and ineptness to find compromises between society and zoos (The famous "all or nothing" attitude prohibiting us to opt for multiple small steps towards a betterment ) and the general gullibility/filter bubble mentality so sadly common among our community (The "trench fight mentality": Zoos are inherently good, but totally misunderstood snowflakes, society is nothing but a hateful mass of know nothings instead of an open approach that aims towards acquiring small liberties for zoos for the price of a general moderation of our community) and finally, 50% are contributed by the public image sites like BF and the animal porn that´s featured on it and elsewhere give. So remember, half of the law putting additional stress on zoos is owed to how we as a community have failed in being our own corrective. We allow BF uncontradicted to advertise their bullshit as "zoo" , we are blinded by our self chosen misunderstood "tolerance" dogma keeping us from shaping and forming an ethical profile that is easier to "sell" to the public than that we have now.
Anyway: the first step towards change in society MUST be changing ourselves and our community. We MUST adapt and actualise our antiquated views...and we finally MUST admit our own fuckups and mistakes. Without realising our own mistakes and perpetuating our common "Everybody else is to blame but us", we will be stuck in the downward spiral of anti "zoo" laws forever, with no chance to change a single detail about it. I´d even say that if we don´t update ourselves, things will become even worse...just banning animal sex isn´t the end of the story, folks....there´s a whole lot of even more severe stuff that could be done, such as actively pursuing us, even such small and rather inactive forums like this here.IP tracking, sting operations becoming common practice of the authorities etc. pp. There are lots of "zoos" insisting on this dumb "we´re a persecuted minority" schtick...well, let me rip the veil from your eyes with a quote from a famous song... "You ain´t seen nothing yet....nanana,baby, you ain´t seen nothing yet..."
