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Just admit it already!
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Even Sheep Need Love




The idea that "Adam" diddled the animals is based on a reading of the Hebrew phrase employed in Gen 2:18 and 2:20: 'ezer kenegdo [עֵזֶר כְּנֶגְדֹּֽו].




Gen 2:18: Then the Lord God said, “It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper ('ezer kenegdo) as his partner.” 




Gen 2:20: The man gave names to all cattle, and to the birds of the air, and to every animal of the field; but for the man there was not found a helper ('ezer kenegdo) as his partner.




'ezer kenegdo translates in a variety of ways, but they all circle the same idea: "A helper corresponding to him." "A sustainer beside him." "A suitable helper." In other words, someone that was appropriate to the man in a way that the animals were not. So far, so good. But where does the sex come into play?




 




The argument goes as follows: the man was alone and YHWH saw it was not good, so the animals were made. YHWH paraded all of the animals in front of man, a creature with sexual desires, and the man had sex with each animal. This reading posits bestiality was not a sin prior to The Fall of Man. Which is not as far fetched as the current taboo might have you believe. Part of The Fall is a stark separation between humanity and the rest of nature. This could have been one of those separations. Furthermore, the Torah does not record bestiality as being a sin until the Moses received that word on Sinai (Exodus 22:19). In any event, this take on the story says that the man had intercourse with Mr. and/or Mrs. Sheep, Goat, Orangutan and all the other cute and ugly creatures, but found that none "corresponded," "fit," or was a "suitable helper" (depending on your translation) to his body. 




In this reading of the tale, when YHWH presents woman, and the man says, "this at last is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh" (Gen 2:23), it is because after all his experimenting he has found something/someone he, uhm, fits. In light of this interpretation, verse 23 could be paraphrased to read, "Finally! Something my body corresponds/responds to!"




This might also explain why the man was so quick to throw his wife under the bus after God questioned them over the whole incident with The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil: the man blames God for giving him the woman, in essence saying (as one of our seminary professors once quipped), "Look man: I was happy with the sheep: this woman you gave me — and the serpent you made — screwed everything up." (Gen 3:12)




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https://www.agameforgoodchristians.com/b...enesis-220




 




In the Talmud (in Yebamoth) it is claimed that Adam had sex with all the animals in the Garden of Eden.




"I do not have a moral dilemma with the story of Adam and Chava having sex with the animals because of how I interpret the Adam and Eve story. I see them as like bonobos or Austrolopithicines that are not yet fully human. Animals have no moral sense. If a coyote steals your neighbor’s chicken, it is just its nature. If you steal your neighbor’s chicken, you are a thief because you are supposed to know better.




Before eating of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil (evolving a moral sense), humans were like animals that should not be blamed for their actions. As such, if they had sex with other hominids or apes, it might be a waste of effort evolutionarily, but it was not morally wrong. After they became human, they knew they were naked, knew that they had to direct their sex drive. They became creatures with a moral sense."




https://www.quora.com/In-the-Talmud-in-Y...ve-Judaism




 




While this doesn't prove anything as to our discussion, it is fun to read about Adam shagging all the animals. 


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